6 10 2332 https://pclha.cvlcollections.org/files/original/9db5177c11c32375bac57992e0c23b1e.pdf 977daab0fe98d0c1429e8ffe8d34fea6 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Park County Local History Archive Manuscript Collection Description An account of the resource This collection includes digitized documents from the Park County Local History Archive manuscript collections. Type The nature or genre of the resource Text IIIF Collection Metadata UUID 9631a1e0-4de0-421b-9b51-dda484db46dd Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource 1947 eighth grade graduation banquet costs in Park Conty, CO Subject The topic of the resource Budget Eighth grade (Education) Commencement ceremonies Description An account of the resource In spring 1947, a rural school in Park County, CO celebrated the graduation of two eighth grade students with a banquet. Each plate cost $1.35. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Park County Superintendent of Schools Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Manuscripts, Park County Local History Collection, School Records Collection 2, Folder 2 Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1947-05 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="https://rightsstatements.org/page/UND/1.0/?language=en">Copyright Undetermined</a> Relation A related resource Park County Local History Archives Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource Text/PDF Language A language of the resource eng Type The nature or genre of the resource text Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context mssch02000081 Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant Colorado (state) Park (county) IIIF Item Metadata UUID b8e203fe-e901-437d-8639-a7f9df9c650a https://pclha.cvlcollections.org/files/original/939d8bf44cc0b2d8185eae0a449ad4f7.pdf 031c0d269e92c9d471a4b1166dcb150d Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. 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Title A name given to the resource 1947 letter and survey to Park County, CO schools on municipal bonds Subject The topic of the resource Career changes Correspondence Rural schools Schools and Education Description An account of the resource Senator Gill shares that Senate Bill number 10 will change financing and administering schools, and so the letter includes a survey on the financial, administrative, and teacherage of each school. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Gill, Senator Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Manuscripts, Park County Local History Collection, School Records Collection 2, Folder 2 Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Munipal Bond Department, Denver, CO Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 4/10/1947 Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Goode, J.H. 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Title A name given to the resource 1948 eighth grade graduation banquet costs in Park County, CO Subject The topic of the resource Budget Eighth grade (Education) Commencement ceremonies Description An account of the resource In spring 1948, a rural school in Park County, CO celebrated the graduation of one eighth grade student with a banquet. Each plate cost $1.50. 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Title A name given to the resource 1959 receipt for American Education Process Subject The topic of the resource Receipts Rural schools Schools and Education Description An account of the resource This receipt is for $2.38 and is stamped with Jefferson, CO. Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Manuscripts, Park County Local History Collection, School Records Collection 2, Folder 2 Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 10/24/1959 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="https://rightsstatements.org/page/NoC-US/1.0/?language=en">No Copyright - United States</a> Relation A related resource Park County Local History Archives Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource Text/PDF Language A language of the resource eng Type The nature or genre of the resource text Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context mssch02000147 Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant Colorado (state) Jefferson (county) IIIF Item Metadata UUID ba06bd3e-7f0b-4f99-a05d-d883f22da53a https://pclha.cvlcollections.org/files/original/d5c11e2f9f30d512eb706d5d8f468e57.mp3 bdd6f897528d4222d492fd9d109ad393 https://pclha.cvlcollections.org/files/original/ade8c4dab2b46405e5cf9ea53c915f17.mp3 b558a26289258b7780247c3689b3698a https://pclha.cvlcollections.org/files/original/8505b37233e917a1244fd47595621325.pdf 12bdb456f8ef284d842ce852540127ca PDF Text Text INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL INTERVIEWER AND TRANSCRIBER: LORI KENNEDY APRIL 14, 1979 GUFFEY, COLORADO im 6 u -f -fe y, d e l a r i i o �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL APRIL 14, 1979 INTERVIEWER AND TRANSCRIBER: LORI KENNEDY TAPE I, SIDE I MS. K: THIS IS LORI KENNEDY. IS 1:00 P.M. A" THE DATE IS APRIL 14, 1979. THE TIME I AM INTERVIEWING CHARLIE DELL AT HIS HOME IN GUFFEY, COLORADO. CHARLIE, HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED IN GUFFEY? MR. D: ALL MY LIFE. MS. K: YOU WERE BORN HERE? MR. D: YEAH, YES. MS. K: WHO WAS THE FIRST OF YOUR RELATIVES TO COME TO GUFFEY? MR. D: WELL, MY GRANDFATHER CAME INTO THIS COUNTRY- MY GRANDFATHER DELL- HE WAS HERE IN 1861. - YEAH, HE CAME HERE IN 1861, THAT'S MY GRANDFATHER DELL, THAT'S MY DAD'S FATHER AND MY MOTHER'S THEY, ER, MY GREAT GRANDFATHER, IN OTHER WORDS, DOUGLAS, ON MOTHER'S SIDE, CAME- HE WAS DOWN AROUND BENT'S FORT, COLORADO, DOWN IN NEAR PUEBLO, WAY DOWN IN THAT COUNTRY. HE WAS AN OLD SCOUT, HE’D GO BACK TO KANSAS AND COME INTO COLORADO. AS FAR BACK AS WE COULD CHECK HIM. FAMILY, CLEAR BACK TO RHODE ISLAND. A WAS BORN IN RHODE ISLAND IN 1810. THAT'S WE CHECKED THE DELL MY GREAT GREAT GRANDMOTHER MS. K: WHAT BROUGHT THEM OUT TO GUFFEY, BOTH SETS OF GRANDPARENTS? MR. D: WELL, MY MOTHER'S DAD AND GRANDFATHER, THEY COME IN HERE, THEY WERE OLD SCOUTS, JUST SCOUTS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY WAS OLD SCOUTS. MS. K: WERE THEY MARRIED WHEN THEY CAME? MR. D: NO, THEY WEREN'T. THEY FINALLY WENT BACK TO KANSAS AND GOT THEM WIVES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW HOW THEY DO. MS. K: AND THEN THEIR WIVES CAME WITH THEM? �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE ONE, PAGE TWO MR. D: YEAH, AND THEN THEIR WIVES CAME WITH THEM. GRANDFATHER DELL, HE JUST TORE OUT ON ACCOUNT OF THE WAR. HE WASN'T GOING TO BE A WARRIOR. [LAUGHS] HE JUST GOT OUT OF THAT CIVIL WAR: HE COME IN HERE. I DON’T KNOW HOW HIS FAMILY GOT HERE. ANYHOW, THEY SHOWED UP FINALLY. MS. K: THEY DIDN'T COME OUT AT THE SAME TIME? MR. D: OH NO, HE HAD TO GET OUT QUICK. YOU KNOW, THEY WAS OUT HUNTING MEN, [LAUGHjf/sO HE HAD TO GET OUT QUICK. MS. K: DO YOU KNOW HOW YOUR GRANDMOTHER FELT ABOUT THAT? MR. D: UMM, GOD, I DON'T KNOW. ALL RIGHT." MAN. SHE PROBABLY THOUGHT, WELL..."IT'S HE JUST DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT. HE DIDN'T LIKE TO WAR. HE WASN'T A WARRING AS FAR AS MOTHER'S PARENTS AND GRANDDAD, THEY CAME HERE WHEN COLORADO WAS NOT EVEN A TERRITORY, AS FAR AS THAT GOES. MS. K: CAN YOU TELL ME HOW YOUR GRANDMOTHERS ON BOTH SIDES LIKED LIVING HERE? DO YOU REMEMBER THEM AT ALL? MR. D: OH YES, I REMEMBER MY GRANDMOTHER. MS. K: WHICH ONE? MR. D: BOTH OF THEM. MS. K: CAN YOU TELL ME SOMETHING ABOUT THEM? MR. D: YEAH, THEY CLAIM THAT GRANDMOTHER DELL CLAIMED THAT HER ANCES­ TORS CAME FROM SCOTLAND. YES. AND SHE WAS A GREAT MUSICIAN. SHE WAS VERY, VERY TALENTED. AND 'COURSE GRANDFATHER DELL, HE WAS RELIGIOUS, AND HE DIDN’T BELIEVE IN DANCING, SO THEY DIDN'T GET ALONG TOO GOOD ON THAT KIND OF THING. [l AUGHSJ �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE ONE, PAGE THREE MS. K: DID THEY BOTH LIVE THE REST OF THEIR LIVES HERE? MR. D: YEAH, THEY LIVED ALL OF THEIR LIVES HERE. HERE...AND IN 1918, ONE DIED IN 1918. THEY DIED RIGHT THE FLU, THAT GOT HER. THE OTHER ONE DIED IN 1920, 1921, ALONG IN THERE. MS. K: HOW OLD WERE THEY WHEN THEY DIED? MR. D: OH, OLD, OLD, OLD PEOPLE, THEY LIVED TO BE OLD. BY GOD, THEY LIVED TO BE OLD. MS. K: DID YOU EVER TALK TO THEM MUCH, YOUR GRANDPARENTS? DID THEY LIVE VERY CLOSE TO YOU? MR. D: OH MY GRANDMOTHER- MY MOTHER'S, OH THEY WERE WONDERFUL PEOPLE. I COULDN'T GET ALONG WITH GRANDMOTHER DELL AT ALL. DIDN'T, HER AND I NEVER HITCHED. EVERY TIME I'D TURN AROUND. SHE JUST OH, AND SHE'D JUST FRAIL ME ^LAUGHS] SHE DIDN'T BELIEVE I'D EVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING. (LAUGHS^ JUST FRAIL THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF ME. I’ DON'T KNOW WHY, SHE JUST DIDN'T LIKE ME, I GUESS. MS. K DO YOU THINK THEY EVER GOT LONELY? MR. D OH NO, THEY WEREN'T. MS. K WAS IT VERY POPULATED OUT HERE THEN? MR. D NOT TOO, NOT TOO POPULATED. MS. K HOW DID THEY SPEND THEIR DAYS? MR. D BY GOD, THEY WORKED HARD, THEY WORKED HARD. MS. K WHAT KINDS OF THINGS DID THEY DO? MR. D WASHED CLOTHES. THEY WERE ALWAYS AROUND SOMEBODY. AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE NO WASHING MACHINES. THEY HAD TO DO HER THE OLD STYLE WAY. SOAP, AND THEY HAD TO BAKE BREAD. AND THEY HAD TO MAKE THEY HAD TO COOK. TO KEEP THE HOUSE, AND THEY JUST DONE LOTS OF WORK. HAD TO PACK WATER FROM THE SPRING AND ALL THAT STUFF. THEY HAD AND THEY �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE ONE, PAGE FOUR MS. K: WHAT DID THEY DO FOR ENTERTAINMENT, ANYTHING? MR. D: OH,THEY’D HAVE DANCES HERE. SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE DANCES. SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, WOULD ALWAYS. RANCHMAN WOULD THROW A...HAVE A GOOD DANCE. SOME EVERYBODY WOULD COME. MS. K: WHEN YOUR MOTHER WAS BORN, SHE WAS BORN RIGHT HERE. MR. D: [n o d s ] MS. K: CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT HER? MR. D: YES. OH MOTHER, SHE WAS VERY MUCH OF A MUSICIAN. SHE WAS A MUSICIAN, TOO, A PIE-ANO PLAYER, A DANCER, AND ALL THAT STUFF. VERY TALENTED IN ALL THAT. MS. K: WHERE DID SHE LEARN HOW TO PLAY THAT? MR. D: OH, I SUPPOSE THEY HAD TEACHERS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY DO. HAD MUSIC TEACHERS SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE. TO PLAY; ALL OF THEM WAS MUSICIANS. YEAH, THEY LEARNED THE WHOLE FAMILY WAS MUSICIANS AND COULD PLAY SOMETHING. MS. K WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SHE DID? MR. D OH, JUST RAISE THE FAMILY. MS. K HOW MANY CHILDREN DID SHE HAVE? MR. D SIX MS. K DID SHE HAVE ANY HELP WHEN SHE HAD THEM? MR. D YEAH, THEM MIDWIVES. THEY DIDN’T HAVE NO DOCTORS, JUST THOSE MIDWIVES. [LAUGHS] MS. K: AND YOU WERE JUST BORN OUT HERE? MR. D: YEAH...AND NONE EVER DIED. {LAUGHS^ WOULD'VE HAD TO GO TO THE �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE ONE, PAGE FIVE MR. D: (CONTINUED) HOSPITAL AND ALL THAT, AND IT WOULD HAVE COST SOME MONEY. IN THEM TIMES, IT DIDN'T COST MUCH. JUST HAVE THOSE MIDWIVES, AND THEY WAS JUST ABOUT AS GOOD AS A DOCTOR, I GUESS, NOWADAYS. MS. K: WHAT KINDS OF THINGS DID SHE DO? HAVE OF HER? MR. D: WHAT KINDS OF MEMORIES DO YOU DID SHE GET LONELY? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T THINK THEY HAD TIME TO GET TOO LONELY BECAUSE THEY WORKED ALL THE TIME. THEY WORKED HARD. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. MS. K: HOW CLOSE WERE YOUR CLOSEST NEIGHBORS? MR. D: OH, WE FINALLY MOVED UPTOWN. YOU SEE WE HAD A RANCH, AND THEN WE FINALLY SOLD THE RANCH AND MOVED UPTOWN HERE, AND THEN WE HAD NEIGHBORS. MOTHER HAD NEIGHBORS RIGHT HERE IN TOWN. YOU KNOW, SHE LIVED IN TOWN HERE. MS. K: WELL, I'VE HEARD YOU MENTION SOME OF THE OTHER LADIES THAT LIVED AROUND IN GUFFEY OR AROUND MAYBE IN HARTSEL. MR. D: UMM HMM. OH, THERE WAS ALOT OF THEM [l AUGHs ] GALS. M S . K :' CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT SOME IN PARTICULAR? MR. D: OH, THEY CAME IN HERE AND TOOK UP LAND. ALLOWED. YOU KNOW THEY WAS IF THEY WEREN'T MARRIED, THEY COULD TAKE UP A FULL SECTION OF LAND WHICH WAS SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY ACRES. MS. K: BUT ONLY IF THEY WEREN'T MARRIED. MR. D: YES, IF THEY WERE MARRIED THEY COULDN'T DO IT. COULD, BUT THE WOMAN COULDN'T. THEIR HUSBAND HELL, A LOT OF THEM OLD GALS COME IN HERE AND TOOK UP SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY ACRES. �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE ONE, PAGE SIX MS. K: THERE WERE QUITE A FEW OF THEM? MR. D: YEAH, LOTS OF WOMEN COME IN AND TOOK UP LAND, AND THEY'D LIVE ON IT F^O THREE YEARS AND PROVE UP ON IT AND SELL IT FOR A THOUSAND DOLLARS A SECTION. BRING A THOUSAND DOLLARS; THEY'D DO ALL RIGHT. MS. K: THEN WHAT WOULD THEY DO AFTER THEY SOLD IT? MR. D: AH, THEY'D MOVE BACK TOWN OR SOMEWHERES YOU KNOW. THERE WAS A LINE OF THEM, SCHOOL TEACHERS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL. MS. K: HOW DID THEY MAKE THEIR LIVING DURING THAT TIME? MR. D: OH, THEY'D FARM. YOU COULD RAISE SPUDS AND POTATOES AND HAY [o pi.] j nn' ALL RIGHT. AT THAT TIME, WE HAD SOME GOOD YEARS, AND THEY COULD JUST PLOW UP SOME LAND, AND THEY COULD RAISE POTATOES. MS. K: SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO USE THE WHOLE SECTION OF LAND, DID THEY? MR. D: OH NO, NO. THEY COULD PLOW THEM UP TWENTY ACRES OF SPUDS AND TWENTY ACRES OF HAY AND ALL THAT. MS. K: DID THEY DO THIS BY THEMSELVES? MR. D: YEAH__ LOT OF THEM WOULD. HAVE MILK COWS, CHICKENS. AND THEN SOME OF THEM WOULD HIRE A FELLOW, HIRE A GUY TO COME AND WORK FOR THEM, YOU KNOW... ACCORDING TO THEIR LOOKS. IF THEY WERE REAL GOOD LOOKING, THEY NEVER HAD TO HIRE THEM ANY MEN, ^LAUGHTER) YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. OH, OLD SIX-SHOOTER ANNIE, SHE HAD A PLACE OVER HERE. TOOK UP A SECTION OVER ON THREE-MILE. YEARS OLD WHEN I KNEW HER. AND WE WENT BY THERE WITH A LOAD OF POTATOES WITH A TEAM AND WAGON. HORSES. SHE WAS ABOUT THIRTY WE STOPPED TO WATER OUR IT'S ABOUT HALF WAY TO HARTSEL. AND WE STOPPED, AND �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE ONE, PAGE SEVEN MR. D: (CONTINUED) SHE HAD INVITED US IN, AND WE, I AND MY DAD, AND WE HAD DINNER AND LUNCH IN HER HOUSE, AND COFFEE AND LET OUR TEAM EAT AND FINALLY WENT ON TO HARTSEL. HOMESTEADED. THEY CLAIM SHE AND BUILT HER LOG CABIN, AND I GUESS SHE DIDN'T HAVE NO SAW AND GOT THE DAMN ROOF ON, AND SHE DIDN'T HAVE NO SAW- YOU KNOW YOU GOT TO HAVE A CERTAIN KIND OF SAW TO CUT A ROUND CIRCLE WITH TO PUT THE STOVE PIPE THROUGH- AND THEY SAID SHE DIDN'T HAVE NO SAW, SO SHE DRAWED A CIRCLE WHERE SHE WANTED HER STOVEPIPE AND TOOK HER SIX-SHOOTER AND SHOT BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM, YOU KNOW, AND ROUND AND KNOCKED IT OUT OF THERE. AND BY GOD, I BELIEVE IT, BECAUSE I HAD THE PIECE OF WOOD! I HAD IT AROUND HERE FOR A LONG TIME. THEY ALWAYS HAD PLENTY OF GUNS, YOU KNOW, AND AMMUNITION. THAT'S ONE THING YOU ALWAYS HAD TO HAVE PLENTY OF IS GUNS AND AMMUNITION. MS. K: WAS IT PRETTY COMMON TO SEE A WOMAN CARRYING A GUN? MR. D: OH, THEY CARRIED GUNS. SHE CARRIED A GUN. YOU BET THEY DID! YEAH, BEULAH BEELER, SHE PACKED A BIG OLD FORTY-FIVE ON HER. BY GOD SHE WAS, SHE TAKE CARE OF HERSELF ALL RIGHT. MS. K: DID THEY HAVE TO USE THEM VERY OFTEN? MR. D: OH NO, BUT IN CASE. THEY COULD PACK A GUN SEEM TO MIND PACKING GUNS. COULD SEE IT. MS. K: THEN. THEYDIDN'T PACK IT OUT RIGHT WHERE EVERYBODY IT'S ALL RIGHT. WHAT DID THE MEN THINK OF THESE WOMEN THAT CAME IN THAT WERE SINGLE AND TOOK A SECTION OF LAND? THEY KIND OF LEAVE THEM ALONE? DID THEY ADMIRE THEM OR DID �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE ONE, PAGE EIGHT MR. D: OH;THEY ADMIRED THEM, YES. TAKE THAT LAND. THEY HAD A RIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, AND AND MAYBE THEIR HUSBAND DIED AND MAYBE GOT KILLED IN THE WAR. YOU KNOW, THAT WORLD WAR ONE, HE MIGHT OF GOT KILLED IN WORLD WAR ONE, AND THEY GOT TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS, SO THEY'D COME IN HERE AND TAKE THEM UP A SECTION OF LAND, PROVE UP ON IT, SELL THEIR LAND. MS. K: WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THEY DIDN'T JUST STAY BACK EAST WHERE IT WAS A LOT EASIER TO LIVE? MR. D: WELL, THEY WANTED TO GET OUT. MS. K : WHY? MR. D: I GUESS JUST TO GET OUT. NOW. LIKE, WELL, THEY DO NOW. WOMEN'DO THEY WAS TWO GIRLS FROM COLORADO SPRINGS OR MANITOU, AND GOD, THEY COME UP HERE ONE TIME AND LIVED IN A TEEPEE ALL WINTER. [ AUGHs ] BY GOD, THAT WAS A COLD SON OF A GUN. l MS. K: DO YOU THINK JUST TO SEE IF THEY COULD DO IT? MR. D: I SUPPOSE, JUST TO SEE IF THEY COULD DO IT. MS. K: DO YOU THINK THAT IS THE REASON THEY CAME BACK THEN BY THEMSELVES MR. D: YES, AND THEY MIGHT GET TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS F^pTHEIR DAMN SECTION, ACCORDING TO WHERE IT WAS AT. MS. K: MR. IT WAS MOSTLY FOR THE MONEY THEN? D: YOU'RE DANGED RIGHT. THEY'D MAKE A LITTLE MONEY. A LOT OF THEM LOST THEIR HUSBANDS AND SOME OF THEM GOT MARRIED, TOO. HERE 'COURSE IT WAS SHORT ON WOMEN ALWAYS,(LAUGHS^AND A LOT OF THEM WOMEN WENT OUT HERE IN SHUMWAY PARK. SHE TOOK UP A SECTION OF LAND, AND BY GOD, A SOLDIER COME ALONG AND TOOK UP ANOTHER SEC­ TION RIGHT BESIDE HER, AND BY GOD, THEY GOT MARRIED. AND HE �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE ONE, PAGE NINE MR. D: (CONTINUED) WAS A DESIGN PAINTER BY TRADE, AND SHE WAS A SCHOOLTEACHER, SO THEY PROVED UP ON THEIR LAND AND AWAY THEY WENT, SOLD IT AND WENT BACK TO TOWN. MS. K: DID SHE HAVE TO GIVE UP HER SECTION OF LAND WHEN SHE GOT MARRIED MR. D: NO, NO, SHE FILED ON IT WHEN SHE WAS STILL SINGLE AND SHE STILL COULD OWN IT. THEY SOLD OUT, THEY GOT HITCHED AND TOOK OUT AND WENT TO BOULDER, BOULDER DAM, HOOVER DAM, OUT IN NEVADA. THAT'S WHERE THEY WENT TO. GUESS. (5 J THEY WENT OUT THERE AND HAD A FAMILY, I RAISED A FAMILY. AND THEN THERE WAS THREE GIRLS RIGHT UP ABOVE GUFFEY TOOK UP A, ONE TOOK UP A SECTION, AND THE OTHERS JUST LIVED THERE WITH HER. THE OTHER TWO, THEIR NAMES WAS YONKONS, THE YONKONS I THINK WAS THEIR NAMES. VERY WELLj THEY TOOK UP LAND. TWENTY-ONE5 I REMEMBER THEM 'COURSE THE OLDER ONE, SHE WAS SHE JUST TOOK UP LAND. I THINK THE OLD BUILDING IS STILL UP THERE THAT THEY USED TO PROVE UP. THEY PROVED UP ON IT AND SOLD THE DAMN THING AND TOOK OFF. MS. K: WERE THERE ANY OTHER SINGLE WOMEN THAT CAME OUT WHO MAYBE HAD BUSINESSES OR ANY OTHER REASONS FOR COMING OUT AND TAKING UP A SECTION OF LAND? MR. D: WELL NO. TEACHERS. THERE WAS SCHOOL TEACHERS. THEY'D ALWAYS GET SCHOOL HAD TO HAVE SCHOOL TEACHERS HERE, AND THEY'D HIRE THEM, AND SOME OF THEM WOULD LIKE THE COUNTRY, YOU KNOW, AND TAKE UP LAND....THEN WE HAD ONE COME IN HERE, AND HER HUSBAND BOUGHT A STORE. THE STORE. BOUGHT THE STORE UP HERE AT GUFFEY. HE WAS AN OLD SICKLY GUY; HE HAD ASTHMA. STARTED HE DIDN'T LAST VERY LONG, AND BY GOD, HE'DIED, SO SHE GOT THE STORE. SHE �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE ONE, PAGE TEN MR. D: (CONTINUED) WAS A YOUNGER WOMAN. DIED, AND SHE RUN THE STORE. SONS AND A DAUGHTER. PUT THEM IN THE NAVY. SHE WASN'T TOO OLD, AND HE SHE HAD A DUAGHTER. SHE HAD TWO THE MINUTE HER SONS GOT OLD ENOUGH, SHE AND THEN SHE'D RUN THE STORE. SHE SURE, SHE WAS A RASCAL,BY GOD. AND GOD, YOU SURE HAD TO WATCH HER, BY GOD, SHE WAS THERE TO RUN THE STORE AND MAKE SOME MONEY. SHE WASN'T THERE FOR HER HEALTH OR NOTHING! [LAUGHg MS. K: YOU MEAN THAT SHE WOULD CHEAT.YOU? MR. D: WELL, SHE'D CHEAT ANYBODY, SHE DIDN'T CARE WHO YOU WERE. jLAUGHSj AS LONG AS SHE GOT THAT MONEY, YOU KNOW. OFFICE; SHE GOT THE POST OFFICE. AND SHE HAD THE POST AND THEN IN 1934, WHEN YOU COULD HAVE BEER, WHY SHE GOT A BEER DEAL. AND WHEN SHE LEFT, BY GOD, SHE WAS REALLY WELL OFF. THAT'S ALL THERE WAS TO IT: SHE WAS WELL OFF, VERY WELL OFF. AND THE LOVELY DAUGHTER. I'D GO UP THERE AND FLIRT WITH THE DAUGHTER. NINETEEN YEARS OLD. SHE WAS ABOUT SHE SURE WATCHED THAT DAUGHTER. YOU KNOW, SHE WANTED TO GET RID OF HER, BUT SHE WANTED TO GET SOME WEALTHY MAN; SHE DIDN'T WANT JUST SOME OLD GUY. I USED TO GO UP THERE, AND THE DAUGHTER AND I PLANNED TO GO TO A DANCE. SO I MADE A DATE WITH HER, AND SHE DIDN'T KNOW HOW SHE WAS GOING TO GET OUT OF THE BUILDING. I TOLD HER ALONG AFTER DARK, WHY, I'D TAKE A LADDER AND PUT HER UP TO THE WINDOW, AND SHE COULD CLIMB DOWN THE LADDER. AND HER AND I WENT TO THE DANCE. SHE TOLD MOTHER, "WELL, GOODNIGHT MOTHER", AND "YEAH, GOODNIGHT DAUGHTER", AND SHE WENT UPSTAIRS AND SHE CHANGED HER CLOTHES. AND I WAS READY WITH THE LADDER, AND SHE CLIMBED AND SNEAKED �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE ONE, PAGE EVEVEN MR. D: (CONTINUED) DOWN THE LADDER, AND HER AND I WENT TO THE DANCE. DAMN, WE HAD A GOOD TIME. [LAUGHS] MY GOD, IT WAS ALL RIGHT, BUT IT WAS ONE OF THOSE POLITICAL DANCES. KNOW. POLITICIANS, YOU AND SO TWO DAYS HERE COME SOME POLITICIANS INTO MOTHER DAY'S AND TALKING TO MOTHER DAY AND "VOTE FOR ME" AND YOU KNOW HOW THEY DO. AND YEAH, SHE SAID, "I GOT A DAUGHTER, TOO", AND^ WELL J THE POLITICIANS SAID, "YEAH, WE MET YOUR DAUGHTER." "WELL, WHERE?" "WELL, DOWN AT THE DANCE." MOTHER DAY FIGURED HOW IN THE WORLD DID SHE EVER GET TO THAT DANCE. SHE FINALLY GOT AFTER THE DAUGHTER, AND THE DAUGHTER TOLD HER SHE CLIMBED DOWN THE LADDER AND SNEAKED TO THE DANCE. GONNA SHOOT MEj [LAUGHS] SO, SHE WAS MOTHER DAY WAS GOING TO SHOOT ME. TOLD ME, "YOU BETTER NOT GO BACK INTO GUFFEY." "WHY?" "MOTHER DAY IS GOING TO SHOOT YOU." MY BROTHER AND I SAYS, I WENT BACK IN 2 0 w iT TO TALK TO HER, AND SHE WASN'T NEAR SO MAD AS SHE THOUGHT SHE . rj WAS. ANYHOW, I TOOK THE DAUGHTER. I WENT IN AND I ASKED,THEN; THE NEXT TIME, "CAN I TAKE YOUR DAUGHTER TO THE DANCE?" "OH, YES', YOU CAN. " FILLED UP THE OLD CAR WITH GAS AND WENT | UP THERE AND THOUGHT THE DAUGHTER WOULD BE READY. AND HERE COME THE DAUGHTER AND THE DANGED OLD SCHOOL TEACHER ABOUT FIFTY YEARS OLD AND PILED IN WITH US. I WONDERED WHAT IN THE HELL! [l AUGhJ] SHE SENT THE OLD GAL ALONG AS A CHAPERONE. [ a u g h t e r ] THERE WAS A LOT OF THEM OLD GALS UP IN THIS COUNTRY, l SOME OF THEM WAS ROUGH, AND OTHERS WAS NICE. THEY WAS JUST, OH, WOMEN. AND I DON'T KNOW, �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE ONE, PAGE TWELVE MS. K: WHEN DID THEY START COMING IN? WHEN DID YOU SEE AN INCREASE IN WOMEN? MR. D: ABOUT WORLD WAR ONE AND THEN ON; IT USED TO BE SHORT ON WOMEN. WHY THE'D COME IN. THERE WASN'T NO WOMEN. LOTS OF MEN, LOTS OF COWBOYS, BUT NO, NO WOMEN. BY GOD, DAMN, OH, OF COURSE CANON CITY OR CRIPPLE CREEK, YEAH, THEY HAD THEM. BUT NOT OUT HERE IN THE COUNTRY. MS. K: WERE YOU EVER ACQUAINTED WITH ANY INDIAN WOMEN OR SPANISH WOMEN? MR. D: WERE THERE ANY WHO LIVED AROUND HERE? NO, NOT, NO. WELL, THEY ALL GOT OUT OF HERE AT THAT TIME. THEY ALL GOT OUT. IN ARIZONA. THEY WAS GOING, LET'S SEE, THERE WAS SOME AND DOWN THERE, YOU COULD SEE THEM. COLORADO, THERE WAS SOME INDIAN WOMEN. PARTICULARLY HERE. MS. K: DID YOU EVER ASSOCIATE WITH ANY OF THEM? MR. D: OH, DOWN IN ARIZONA. END OF SIDE ONE AND WESTERN BUT NOT RIGHT �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL APRIL 14, 1979 INTERVIEWER AND TRANSCRIBER: LORI KENNEDY TAPE ONE, SIDE TWO, PAGE THIRTEEN MR. D: YEAH, THAT GIRL IN ARIZONA, SHE WAS PRETTY NICE. ON THAT RANCH Jm ULESHOe ]FOR FOUR YEARS. SHE WORKED HELPER, YOU KNOW, HELPED IN THE HOUSE, THE FOREMAN'S WIFE, HELPED THE FOREMAN’S WIFE. SHE GOT A GOOD EDUCATION. SHE SAID SHE WENT THROUGH THE TWELFTH GRADE, AND SAID SHE HAD AN AWFUL TIME OF MAKING IT, TOO, TO GET THROUGH THE TWELFTH GRADE, BECAUSE, BY GOD, SHE HAD TO HERD SHEEP TO GET MONEY ENOUGH TO GO TO SCHOOL. AND WHEN SHE DID, SHE HAD A GOOD EDUCATION, AND SHE WAS PRETTY NICE, TOO. AND WASN'T A BAD LOOKING GAL. I USED TO - THE COWBOYS, THEY'D - SIDETRACK HER. BUT, 'COURSE, A LOT OF THEM WERE MARRIED AND HAD WIVES- I FIGURED, WELL, HELL, I'M DOWN HERE. - HELL, I TOOK HER, AND WE'D GO TO HILLSIDE AND PRESCOTT AND EVERYWHERE, AND, YOU KNOW, ON SATURDAYS. WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD TIME...BUT AS FAR AS INDIANS UP HERE, THEY DONE TAKEN THEM ALL OUT, YOU KNOW THEY TOOK THEM AWAY TO THE RESERVATION. MS. K: WHAT WAS THE FEELING OF OTHER PEOPLE TOWARD, SAY, A WHITE MAN GOING OUT WITH AN INDIAN WOMAN? MR. D: YEAH, KINDA, I THINK THEY DID. GOD, I WAS WAY OFF FROM HOME; IT WAS ALL RIGHT; WAS THAT LOOKED DOWN UPON? BUT DOWN THERE IN ARIZONA, I DIDN'T GIVE A DARN ANYHOW. SHE WAS JUST A GOOD PERSON. SHE WAS A GOOD PERSON. INDIAN, BUT NOWADAYS, WELL, LOTS OF GUYS COME BACK FROM THE ARMY, THEY GOT THOSE WIVES, KOREAN WIVES AND WIVES FROM OVER THERE IN THE ISLANDS...I DON'T GUESS IT HURTS. �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE TWO, PAGE FOURTEEN MS. K: 52 > nnin] j£ DID YOU EVER KNOW OF ANY WIVES UP HERE THAT LEFT THEIR HUSBANDS? MAYBE THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT, OR DID THEY USUALLY DO WHAT THEIR HUSBANDS TOLD THEM TO DO? MR. D: THERE WAS ONE OLD WIFE AND FAMILY, THE ONE FELLOW. HE HAD A BUNCH OF WILD HORSES OUT HERE, AND HE THOUGHT HE COULD MAKE SOME MONEY ON WILD HORSES, AND GOOD GOD, YOU KNOW, YOU'D STARVE TO DEATH WITH THEM. HIM; FINALLY, BY GOD, HIS WIFE JUST UP AND LEFT THE FAMILY JUST PULLED OUT. HE HAD A WIFE AND A GIRL AND TWO BOYS, AND THEY JUST PULLED OUT AND TORE OUT. HE STAYED OVER THERE, AND, BY GOD, HE COULDN'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY WITH THOSE DAMN HORSES TO FEED HIMSELF, YOU KNOW. THEY WERE JUST A BUNCH OF WILD HORSES, YOU KNOW, AND NO GOOD, NO GOOD, NO GOOD STOCK. IF THEY HAD BEEN GOOD STOCK OF HORSES, QUARTER HORSES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, HE'D HAVE MADE SOME MONEY. THEY WERE JUST THOSE LITTLE OLD BRONCOS. BUT FINALLY THE GOVERN­ MENT, FINALLY HE DIED, AND THE GOVERNMENT COME IN KILLED ALL THOSE HORSES - A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE HEAD, IN ONE PLACE, GOT RID OF THEM, HUNT THEM JUST LIKE YOU WOULD DEER, YOU KNOW. YOU GOT RID OF THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE EATING UP THE GRASS ON GOVERNMENT GROUND, AND WERE NO GOOD. MS. K: WHY DO YOU THINK HIS WIFE LEFT HIM? MR. D: HE JUST DIDN'T MAKE A LIVING FOR HER. YOU KNOW, BY GOD, HE WOULDN'T SELL ONE HORSE IN A MONTH. MS. K: WHERE DO YOU THINK SHE WENT? MR. D: SHE WENT UP TO MONTANA. A SAWMILL. SHE HAD A BROTHER UP IN MONTANA RUN SHE WENT UP THERE WITH HIM. AND I THINK SOMEBODY �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE TWO, PAGE FIFTEEN MR. D: (CONTINUED) SAID SHE FINALLY GOT A DIVORCE AND MARRIED AGAIN UP THERE-MARRIED A GUY IN MONTANA. MS. K: WAS THIS AN UNUSUAL THING TO DO? MR. D: KINDA, YES, I THINK IT WAS... GENERALLY, UP IN THIS COUNTRY, THE MEN UP HERE WAS PRETTY HARD WORKERS. THEY'D MAKE A LIVING, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COULD. MS. K: DID YOU HAVE ANY SISTERS? MR. D: ANY SISTERS? MS. K: HOW WERE THEY RAISED COMPARED TO YOU? MR. D: OH, THEY ALL GOT GOOD SCHOOLING. FOUR. THEY ALL WENT TO SCHOOL. YEP, THEY ALL WENT CLEAR THROUGH HIGH WENT TO COLLEGE. SCHOOL, AND ONE OF THEM SO THEY GOT GOOD EDUCATION. DAD WAS A PRETTY GOOD PROVIDER; HE COULD MAKE IT. MS. K: WHAT DID THEY DO WHEN THEY WERE SMALL, WHEN THEY WERE GROWING UP? MR. D: WHAT KIND OF CHORES DID THEY DO? HELP WITH THE HOUSEWORK, WASH CLOTHES [l AUGHs ] AND BAKE BREAD. YOU KNOW, THEY LEARNED ALL THAT STUFF THEY HAD TO DO. MS. K: DID 'THEY EVER GO OUT HUNTING OR LEARN TO USE A GUN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? MR. D: THE YOUNGEST ONE DID, YES. MY YOUNGEST SISTER WAS JUST ABOUT AS GOOD A HUNTER AS THEY COME. TRAINED HER, YOU KNOW. ’COURSE I AND MY BROTHER, WE WE TOOK HER HUNTING WITH US, AND GO IN THE BRUSH AND PUT HER SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY’D BE BIG OLD BUCK WOULD COME OUT, AND BY GOD SHE’D BETTER GET HIM, TOO, OR W E ’D GIVE HER HELL. jjLAUGHs] MS. K: WELL, DID SHE? �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE TWO, PAGE SIXTEEN MR. D: YOU BET SHE DID. I REMEMBER THE FIRST BUCK SHE KILLED. AH, (3C Min3 HE WAS A JUMBO. SHE JUST CRIED, "BOO HOO HOO, DID I KILL THE POOR THING?" I SAID, "YOU BET YOU DID." GREAT BIG OLD BUCK. [LAUGHS] SHE FINALLY LEARNED TO BE A GOOD HUNTER. MS. K: WAS THAT UNUSUAL? MR. D: THAT WAS UNUSUAL, YES. MS. K: YOUR MOTHER, HOW DID SHE FEEL ABOUT THAT? MR. D: OH, SHE DIDN'T LIKE IT MUCH, BUT SHE COULDN'T DO MUCH ABOUT IT. HELL, WE'D GET OUT AND HUNT AND GET SOME MEAT. MS. K: WHY DIDN'T YOU TAKE YOUROTHERSISTERS MR. D: MMM, GOD, THEY DIDN'T WANT TOGO, THEY WOULDN'T. WITH YOU. MS. K: OUT TO HUNT? THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HUNT. THE LITTLE ONE, SHE WOULD; THEY LEARN GOOD, YOU KNOW. SHE'D GO HUNTING THEY DO, THEY LEARN. WERE THERE ANY OTHER OUTSTANDING WOMEN OR JUST ORDINARY WOMEN? THEY PROBABLY HAD TO BE PRETTY OUTSTANDING, ANYWAY. MR. D: THEY WERE, THEY WERE, YEP, THEY WERE. OH, THEM HOUSEWIVES, BY GOD, THEY WORKED HARD, BECAUSE NOTHING LIKE YOU GOT NOWADAYS. YOU GRAB A SACK OF CLOTHES, GO IN AND DUMP THEM IN THE WASHING MACHINE, THROW THEM IN THE DRYER, AND YOU GO DOWN, AND THEY'RE DONE. AND YOU GOT MOST OF THIS MATERIAL NOW SO THAT IT'S.., YOU JUST HANG THEM UP, AND THEY'RE ALREADY IRONED, YOU KNOW. MS. K: WERE THERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WERE CONSIDERED WOMEN'S WORK AND MEN'S WORK? MR. D: WOMEN WEREN'T OUTSIDE MUCH. NO, THEY DIDN'T GET OUT IN THE YARD AND THE BARNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. HOUSE THAT WAS THEIR PLACE THEY STAYED IN ' T E .H �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE TWO, PAGE SEVENTEEN MS. K WHAT WAS THE CLOSEST TOWN? MR. D YEAH, YEAH, GUFFEY. MS. K HOW BIG WAS IT THEN? MR. D IT WAS ABOUT TWO HUNDRED, AND THEN IT FADED AWAY. MS. K HOW OFTEN DO YOU THINK THOSE WOMEN GOT TO COME INTO TOWN? MR. D THEY'D COME IN ONCE A WEEK. THEY GOT CARS; WAS THIS THE CLOSEST TOWN? PRETTY NEAR ONCE A WEEK. AND THEY FINALLY GOT CARS UP IN THIS COUNTRY. AND THEN THEY HAD TO BUILD ROADS SO THAT THEY COULD GET OVER THEM WITH THE CARS. PRETTY BAD ROADS AT ONE TIME, [?) ROADS. BUT, HELL, THEY FINALLY GOT UP CARS. EVER SAW. IT WAS A MAXWELL. I REMEMBER THE FIRST CAR I ” FUNNY LOOKING THING TO ME, AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER IT WOULD RUN OR NOT. [ AUGHs ] IF A FELLOW l WOULD GO DOWN HILL, IT WOULD GO LIKE HELL, AND THEN IT WOULDN’T COME UP HILL VERY FAST. ^LAUGHs] BUT YOU SURE COULD GO DOWNHILL FAST. MS. K: DID YOU EVER KNOW ANY WOMEN OUTSIDE OF THE LAW? MR. D: OH GOD, YES. MS. K: IN WHAT WAYS? MR. D: THEY WERE PRETTY ROUGH. WE HAD A LOT OF THEM. LIKE THOSE THREE THAT HOMESTEADED UP HERE. AND BY GOD, THREE FELLOWS BETTER GO TO VISIT THEM, BECAUSE, IF ONE WENT, BY GOD, THEY'D ROB HIM. MS. K: DID THE PEOPLE EVER TAKE THE LAW INTO THEIR OWN HANDS, OR DID THE SHERIFF CONTROL THAT, OR DID THEY LEAVE THE WOMEN ALONE? MR. D: LET 'EM ALONE. [ AUGHs ] l MS. K: DO YOU THINK IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE WOMEN? �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE TWO, PAGE EIGHTEEN MR. D: NO, I THINK IT WAS JUST THAT HE, YOU KNOW, PASS THE BUCK. THE HELL. AH, LET THEM ALONE AS LONG AS THEY WEREN'T RAISING TOO MUCH HELL, WELL, LET THEM ALONE. [l AUGHs] MS. K: SO IT WAS PRETTY UNCOMMON TO SEE WOMEN IN JAIL. MR. D: YEAH, THOSE THREE, THOSE THREE GALS, THEY WERE ROUGH! AND, OF COURSE, A GUY WOULD FEEL SO GOD DAMN CHEAP THAT HE WOULDN’T SAY NOTHING AND WOULDN'T GO BACK AGAIN. A THING ABOUT IT, SEE. BUT YOU WOULDN'T SAY YOU'D*JUST KEEP STILL. BECAUSE, HELL, THEY'D ROB YOU, DAMN THEY WERE TOUGH. jjLAUGHSf MS. K: SO WHEN A WOMAN WAS MARRIED AND HAD A LOT OF CHILDREN AND HER HUSBAND DIED, DID SHE USUALLY STAY OR DID SHE LEAVE? MR. D: OH, PROBABLY GET HITCHED AGAIN, GET MARRIED AGAIN, YEAH. MS. K: HERE? MR. D: OH, MAYBE HERE, YES. BECAUSE AS I SAY, THERE WAS LOTS OF BACHELORS IN THIS COUNTRY. THERE WAS LOTS OF BACHELORS. MS. K: DID PEOPLE EVER TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SINGLE WOMEN OR WIDOWED WOMEN? MR. D: NO, THEY WOULDN'T. THEY HAD A LOT OF RESPECT FOR WOMEN, YOU KNOW. MS. K: DID THEY EVER HELP THEM OUT? MR. D: YES, THEY WOULD. THEY'D HELP THEM OUT__ OH, MRS. LANDERS, HER "'HUSBAND DIED, AND BY GOD, SHE HAD THAT RANCH OUT THERE, AND YOU KNOW, MY GOD, SHE LEASED IT ON SHARES. SO MUCH PER CENT, YOU KNOW, CROP, CROP LEASE, JUST LEASED IT. MADE PRETTY GOOD. SHE DONE ALL RIGHT. AND SHE BECAUSE MY OLD DAD AND I LEASED IT, AND WE RAISED I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TONS OF �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE TWO, PAGE NINETEEN MR. D: (CONTINUED) POTATOES. AND BY GOD SHE DONE ALL RIGHT ON THAT; DON'T THINK SHE DIDN'T. 'COURSE SHE HAD A BROTHER OVER THERE ON LONE CHIMNEY, WHAT THEY CALL LONE CHIMNEY. AND HE'D COME OVER, AND HE HELPED HER. AND THEN THERE WAS MRS. WITCHER, YOU KNOW, THE LOWELL WITCHER RANCH. MRS. WITCHER, SHE WAS A WIDOW, AND BY GOD, SHE HAD A FOREMAN. SHE HAD A CATTLE OUTFIT SHE HAD A FOREMAN. MS. K: AND HE TOOK CARE OF THE RANCH? MR. D: YEAH. THERE WAS LOTS OF TIMES THE FOREMAN GOT TO BE PRETTY GODDAMN SHADY, YOU KNOW. LAUGHS BUT HE WAS A GOOD GUY. I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS A RELATIVE OF HER OR NOT, BUT SEEMS LIKE SHE NEVER HAD TROUBLE WITH HIM. MS. K: DO YOU THINK SHE WAS STILL PRETTY MUCH THE BOSS, OR DID SHE GO ALONG WITH... MR. D: WHATEVER HE SAID, YES. WELL, HE MADE HER MONEY, ANYHOW. HE MIGHT HAVE FILLED HIS POCKETS, TOO, BUT ANYHOW HE MADE HER MONEY. HE WAS A PRETTY GOOD GUY...OH, AND A LOT OF THOSE WOMEN, THEIR HUSBAND WOULD DIE OR SOMETHING, AND THEY'D LEASE THE RANCH, LEASE IT OUT AND MOVE TO TOWN. MS. K: WHICH TOWN? MR. D: CANON, OR SOME TOWN, COLORADO SPRINGS. MOVE TO TOWN AND LEASE THE RANCH...SO MUCH OF THE CROP, OR ELSE THEY'D LEASE FOR CASH, MS. K: WHAT DO YOU THINK THE GENERAL ATTITUDE TOWARD WOMAN WAS AMONG MEN AT THE TIME OF YOUR GRANDPARENTS OR YOUR PARENTS? MR. D: OH, THEY, I WOULDN'T KNOW. THING. THEY NEVER LET THE WOMEN RUN THE THEY'D RUN IT THEMSELVES. LIKE ROWE OVER HERE, HE, �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE TWO, PAGE TWENTY MR. D: (CONTINUED) THE MAN I WORKED FOR FOR SO MANY YEARS, THAT CATTLEMAN. GOD DANG HIS WIFE DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER HE HAD TEN DOLLARS IN THE BANK OR FIFTY THOUSAND. HE NEVER TOLD HER ONE THING OF HIS BUSINESS. MS. K: WHY IS THAT, DO YOU THINK? MR. D: I COULD NEVER TELL UNLESS HE DIDN'T WANT HIS BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, 0 O K fn .] PUBLISHED...AND THERE WAS ONE WOMAN DOWN HERE, GUY, THAT FOSTER'S WIFE, FOSTER MARRIED HER AND GOD DANG, THE FIRST YEAR, YOU KNOW, HERE COME THE ASSESSOR. OF CATTLE. FOSTER HAD QUITE A FEW HEAD HERE COME THE OLD ASSESSOR, TAX ASSESSOR, AND HE COME IN, AND HE'D EAT DINNER AND HE SAID, "FOSTER, HOW MANY CATTLE HAVE YOU GOT?" WELL, FOSTER CUT HIS HERD DOWN AND TOLD HIM HE ONLY HAD A HUNDRED HEAD. HUNDRED HEAD. WELL, HE HAD THREE OR FOUR "OH", HE SAID, "I JUST GOT A HUNDRED HEAD", AND THAT WOMAN, HIS WIFE, SPOKE UP AND SAID, "OH, MY GOD, GUY, WE GOT TWICE THAT MANY CATTLE!" [l AUGHTEr / THAT REALLY GOT HIM IN JACK POT, YOU KNOW. THAT'S WHY ROWE, HE WOULDN'T TELL HER A THING, SHE NEVER KNEW NOTHING. HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. ONE ANOTHER. WHEN HE DIED, HE LEFT A AND HER, THEY DIED WITHIN A WEEK OF HER PART WENT TO THE JEWISH HOSPITAL IN DENVER OR SOMETHING UP THERE, AND HIS PART WENT TO BOYS TOWN, SOMEWHERE. MS. K: DO YOU KNOW IF YOUR GRANDMOTHER, EITHER ONE OF YOUR GRAND­ MOTHERS, HAD ANY EDUCATION? MR. D: ONE DIDN'T, BUT THE OTHER ONE DID. MS. K: HOW ABOUT YOUR MOTHER? MR. D: MOTHER HAD A GOOD EDUCATION, YES. �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE TWO, PAGE TWENTY-ONE MS. K: WHERE DID SHE GET IT? MR. D: OH, THERE WAS A SCHOOL, BLACK MOUNTAIN, IN THERE, MS. K: HOW MANY KIDS WERE IN THAT SCHOOL AT THAT TIME, DO YOU KNOW? MR. D: IN THE LITTLE TOWN, THERE [ALHAMBRA, NEAR GUFFEy ) DOZEN. YEAH. TEACHERS. PROBABLY A DOZEN KIDS, YOU KNOW. MS. K: AND THEY HIRED A SCHOOL TEACHER JUST FOR A DOZEN KIDS? MR. D: OH YES. MS. K: AND THE SCHOOL TEACHER, WAS IT A WOMAN? MR. D: UMM HMM. MS. K: WAS SHE SINGLE? MR. D: UMM HMM. MS. K: HOW DID SHE LIVE? MR. D: OH, SHE BOARDED WITH SOME OF THE, WELL, HAD THIS SCHOOL YOU BET. WHERE DID SHE LIVE? TEACHER DOWN HERE. SHE TAUGHT DOWN NEAR GROVES, AND SHE BOARDED RIGHT THERE. SHE HAD HER OWN ROOM AND EVERYTHING. SHE BOARDED RIGHT THERE. MS. K: HOW WERE THEY TREATED? HOW WERE SCHOOL TEACHERS THOUGHT OF? MR. D: THOUGHT OF GOOD. MS. K: WAS IT COMMON FOR A WOMAN LIKE YOUR MOTHER TO GO TO SCHOOL? MR. D: YEAH, SHE'D GO. DECENT, REALLY GOOD. YEAH, SHE WENT. SHE WENT QUITE A WAYS IN SCHOOL BECAUSE SHE HAD A PRETTY GOOD EDUCATION. THAN AVERAGE. YEP, MORE THAN AVERAGEj EVEN GO. MS. K: WHY, DO YOU THINK? MR. D: AH, DIDN'T THINK THEY NEEDED IT. MS. K WHO DIDN'T THINK THEY NEEDED IT? VERY, FAR MORE A LOT OF THEM DIDN'T �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE TWO, PAGE TWENTY-TWO MR. D: AH, THEM OLD WOMEN, I SUPPOSE. THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO. AND MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE AND FOR THAT, MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD THE CHANCE...NO, I DIDN'T GO. I DIDN'T GO AT ALL, HARDLY. I WENT THROUGH FIFTH GRADE, AND I THOUGHT I KNEW MORE THAN THE TEACHER. I QUIT. [LAUGHTER] GOOD DEAL, HUH. MS. K: WERE THERE ANY WOMEN CATTLE RANCHERS? WHEN THEY TOOK UP A SECTION OF LAND, DID THEY PUT CATTLE ON? MR. D: OH, A FEW OF THEM WOULD GET SOME COWS, YES. THEY COULD HANDLE, YES. HOW MUCH CATTLE NOW, SIS GREEN, SHE WAS A CATTLEWOMAN. SHE HAD QUITE AN OUTFIT, QUITE A BIT OF LAND DOWN THERE IN BEAR HILLS, YOU KNOW. SIS GREEN, SHE WAS QUITE A CATTLEWOMAN, CATTLE. HER DAD LEFT HER WITH HIS CATTLE; YOU KNOW, HE WILLED THEM, WILLED ALL OF HIS CATTLE AND ALL THAT LAND, AND BY GOD, SHE DONE ALL RIGHT, SIS GREEN DID. MS. K: DID SHE DO A LOT OF THE ACTUAL WORK? MR. D: NO, SHE'D HIRE IT DONE. HIRE IT. AND COME THE ROUND UP, WHY THEY'D ALL, WELL THEY'D BRAND HER CALVES, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'D SEE A CALF OF HERS. HELL, THEY'D BRAND IT FOR HER. MS. K: YOU MEAN OTHER COWBOYS THAT WORKED FOR DIFFERENT RANCHES? MR. D: YEAH, ANY, ANY COWBOY. HAD THE ROUND UP, YOU KNOW, AND HAD SOME OF HER CATTLE IN THERE AND LITTLE CALVES. WHY, DRAG THEM OUT AND BRAND THEM SIS GREEN. MS. K: DO YOU THINK THAT IF THEY HAD BELONGED TO A MAN THEY WOULD HAVE KEPT THE COWS AND BRANDED THEM FOR THEIR OWN, OR WOULD HAVE BRAN­ DED THEM FOR THE OTHER RANCHER? MR. D: THEY'D BRAND THEM FOR THE OTHER RANCHER. �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE ONE, SIDE TWO, PAGE TWENTY-THREE MS. K: WOULD THEY? MR. D: YEAH. PRETTY SQUARE, PRETTY SQUARE, THERE. THEY'D BETTER BRAND WHATEVER BRAND WAS ON THE COW, OR YOU'D GET IN TROUBLE. BUT SIS GREEN USED TO COME OUT ONCE IN A WHILE ON THE ROUND UP. SHOW UP AND TALK TO SOME OF THOSE FOREMEN, YOU KNOW, AND TELL "IF, WELL, YOU SEE ANY OF MY"- "WELL, W E ’LL BRAND THEM £46 M m 3 FOR YOU." END OF TAPE ONE, SIDE TWO �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL INTERVIEWER AND TRANSCRIBER: LORI KENNEDY APRIL 14, 1979 TAPE TWO, SIDE ONE, PAGE TWENTY-FOUR MR. D: THERE WAS A YOUNG LADY TOOK UP A HOMESTEAD ON, AHEAD OF, NEAR WAUGH MOUNTAIN, WAY OVER IN THERE, AND SHE WAS ABOUT TWENTY-ONE, AND SHE, HER AND HER FOLKS LIVED THERE. HER FOLKS LIVED ABOUT FIVE MILES THIS SIDE OF WHERE SHE TOOK UP HER HOMESTEAD. WAS TWENTY-ONE. FOR PASTURE. SHE SO ROWE, THAT'S THE BOSS, HE LEASED HER LAND I'D GO OVER THERE EVERY SO OFTEN TO LOOK ABOUT THE CATTLE, YOU KNOW, IN SUMMER. I'D GO THROUGH THE OLD FELLOW AND THE OLD LADIES' PLACE AND BOY, IF YOU GO IN THERE, AND YOU HAD TO CHECK, YOU KNOW, TELL HER, "YEAH, I'M GOING IN THE BUILDING AND LOOK ABOUT THE COWS." AND BY GOD, YOU BETTER BE OUT OF THERE, TOO, IN THE EVENING OR THEY'D COME LOOKING TO SEE WHAT WAS THE MATTER. [l AUGHe LILLIAN WAS A GOOD SCOUT. T] FINALLY, OUR CATTLE GOT TO GETTING OFF IN WHAT THEY CALL DEVIL'S HOLE. THERE'S A BIG HOLE IN THERE. GOD THEY CUT OFF DOWN AT THE RIVER. YOU GO OFF THERE AND BY SO WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD BUILD A FENCE UP ON TOP THERE ALONG SO THEY COULDN'T GET DOWN IN. YEP, THEY WERE BOTH BUILDING, YEAH, THEY WERE FAVORABLE. I WENT OVER THERE TO BUILD A FENCE. EVERY DAY. SHE'D BRING US LUNCH A FELLOW DIDN'T HAVE TO BRING A LUNCH. AND SHE'D PUT NAIL STAPLES ON THE FENCE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, YOU KNOW. SHE WAS A PRETTY GOOD SCOUT. WHEN SHE PROVED UP, SHE SOLD HER PLACE AND MOVED TO CANON AND BOUGHT A BEAUTY PARLOR. SHE WENT TO, SHE LEASED IT OUT AND LET PEOPLE OPERATE ITT AND SHE GUARDED AT THE PRISON. MATRON, MATRON AT THE PRISON. I �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE TWO, SIDE ONE, PAGE TWENTY-FIVE MR. D : ' (CONTINUED) DON'T KNOW WHAT EVER BECAME OF HER. DEAD BY NOW. TIME AGO. I'M POSITIVE SHE MIGHT BE DEAD. SHE MIGHT BE THAT WAS A LONG AND OVER IN, WELL, BEULAH BEELER, HER AND HER MOTHER AND BROTHER, THEY WERE UP HERE AT BLACK MOUNTAIN. BEULAH HOMESTEADED, SO DID THE BROTHER. SHE HOMESTEADED, THEY TOOK UP LAND. AND MY GOD, THE BROTHER, HE WASN'T MAKING MONEY FAST ENOUGH, SO HE THOUGHT HE'D RUSTLE A FEW COWS. OH GOD, HE GOT CAUGHT. [l a u g h s ] THEY SENT HIM DOWN HERE TO THE SLAMMER, CANON, THE PEN. AND HE. WASN'T IN THERE NO TIME AND HE WENT HAYWIRE AND THEY TOOK HIM TO PUEBLO AND PUT HIM IN THE ASYLUM. AND THE OLD LADY, SHE JUST, FINALLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW SHE GOT HIM OUT OF THERE, BUT SHE GOT HIM OUT OF THERE SOME WAY. BROUGHT HIM UP THERE AND LOCKED HIM IN THE, PUT HIM IN THE CABIN THERE, AND CHAINED HIM TO THE WALL, AND HE WAS THERE FOR TWELVE YEARS. MS. K: HE NEVER WENT OUTSIDE? MR. D: NO, NO, SHE JUST CHAINED HIM THERE. AND FINALLY, BY GOD, THE SISTER DIED, AND SHE TOLD THEM WHEN SHE WAS SICK, "YOU BETTER GET UP AND GET MY BROTHER OUT OF THAT BLACK MOUNTAIN COUNTRY." AND THEY WENT UP THERE, THE SHERIFF DID, AND THEY FOUND HIM AND HE WAS CHAINED TO THAT BUILDING. THE OLD LADY WAS THERE, YOU KNOW, SHE’D FEED HIM LIKE YOU WOULD AN ANIMAL, YOU KNOW. FINALLY GOT HIM OUT OF THERE AND TOOK HIM TO FAIRPLAY. FAIRPLAY, THEY TOOK HIM BACK DOWN TO THE ASYLUM. THEY FROM AND MY GOD, THOSE DOCTORS GOT AFTER HIM AND IT WASN'T NO TIME TIL HE WAS OUT MOWING THE LAWNS AND TRIMMING HEDGES. HE'D OF GOT ALL RIGHT IF SHE'D HAVE TAKEN HIM TO A DOCTOR INSTEAD OF LOCKING HIM IN. HE'D OF GOT ALL RIGHT, YOU KNOW. �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE TWO, SIDE ONE, PAGE TWENTY-SIX MS. K: DID ANYBODY KNOW THAT HE'D BEEN MISSING? MR. D: EVERYBODY KNEW IT, BUT THEY FIGURED IT WAS NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS, YOU KNOW. OWN BUSINESS. IN TROUBLE. BUSINESS." IN THEM DAYS, BY GOD, YOU TENDED TO YOUR YOU'D BETTER, BECAUSE IF YOU DIDN'T YOU'D GET YOU KNOW, THEY FIGURE, WELL, "THAT'S NOT MY WE KNEW HE WAS THERE. PEOPLE DID, YOU KNOW, THEY KNEW HE WAS THERE BUT FIGURED THEY'D BETTER TEND TO THEIR OWN CSOM'a.3 BUSINESS. THAT WAS IT. MS. K: WHY DO YOU THINK SHE DID THAT? MR. D: I DON'T KNOW. SHE WAS CRAZY. SHE DIDN'T WANT HIM IN THAT ASYLUM, SO SHE BROUGHT HIM HOME. MS. K: SHE WOULDN'T LET HIM OUT AT ALL? MR. D: HE WAS CHAINED. LOCKED HIM UP. HE WAS CHAINED TO THE WALL. SO THEY JUST BURNED THE BUILDING DOWN AND TOOK HER TO FAIRPLAY. OLD LADY DIED AFTER SHE GOT TO FAIRPLAY. AH, THE SHE COULDN'T LIVE UP THERE BY HERSELF, SO THEY JUST TOOK HER UP TO FAIRPLAY AND PUT" HER IN A HOSPITAL AND SHE DIDN’ LIVE LONG. T QUITE A BIT OF LAND UP THERE. SHE DIED. THEY HAD I THINK THREE OR FOUR SECTIONS. SEE, THE BOY FILED ON LAND AND THE OLD LADY FILED ON LAND, AND THE GIRL FILED ON LAND AND THEY HAD QUITE A BIT OF LAND. MS. K: WHAT DID THEY DO WITH IT? MR. D: THEY SOLD IT TO PERKINS. A FELLOW BY THE NAME OF PERKINS BOUGHT IT. MS. K: DID THEY FARM IT WHILE THEY WERE LIVING THERE? MR. D: YEAH, THEY FARMED, OH YOU BET THEY FARMED. THEY RAISED POTATOES, GEEZ, BY THE TONS. AND HAY, YOU KNOW, JUST TONS OF POTATOES. AND THEY HAD MILK COWS, PIGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE TWO, SIDE ONE, PAGE TWENTY-SEVEN MS. K: CAN YOU TELL ME SOMETHING ABOUT THE LADY THAT BUILT THE COVER MOUNTAIN LODGE? MR. D: OH, YEAH, THAT WAS BARBARA, BARBARA GLAZE. LODGE ABOUT 1930. SHE DIVORCED GLAZE. A FELLOW NAME OF GLAZE. SHE WAS MARRIED TO HIM, AND SHE WAS WEALTHY. WAS WEALTHY. YEAH, SHE BUILT THAT THE OLD WOMAN SHE COME OUT HERE, AND OLD GLAZE, HE HAD A HARNESS SHOP IN THE SPRINGS. 'COURSE SHE WENT THERE TO HAVE A DOG HARNESS FIXED AND OF COURSE HE WAS QUITE A LADIES' MAN. HE WAS A GOER. BY GOD, SHE MARRIED HIM AND THEY MOVED UP HERE ON THIRTY ONE CREEK. BOUGHT THREE, FOUR THOUSAND ACRES OF LAND IN THERE AND HIM AND HER COULDN'T GET ALONG, SO SHE DIVORCED HIM. WENT OUT TO NEVADA AND STAYED OUT THERE SIX WEEKS AND GOT HER DIVORCE. AND SHE CAME BACK AND BOUGHT THIS LAND ON COVER MOUNTAIN, BUILT THAT LODGE, AND IT WAS A BIG ONE, A BIG OLD LODGE. A GOOD ONE. WELL, SHE RAISED A FEW HORSES AND FINALLY GOT TIRED OF IT AND SOLD IT. YOU KNOW HOW THEY DO. MS. K: WHAT DID SHE USE IT FOR? MR. D: OH, JUST TO SHOW, YOU KNOW. MS. K: SHE DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN IT THEN? MR. D: SHE LIVED IN IT HERSELF. END OF THE FRONT ROOM. GIVE PARTIES THERE. GOD, IT HAD A FIREPLACE IN EACH BIG FIREPLACE, IT WAS A BIG ROOM. YEAH, SHE GAVE SOME WONDERFUL PARTIES. FINALLY, SHE GOT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH. THE DEPRESSION. SHE'D THAT WAS DURING THAT WAS A LOT OF MONEY THEN, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH. SHE GAVE THAT PLACE OUT THERE ON THIRTY ONE CREEK, SHE JUST GAVE IT TO GLAZE JUST GAVE IT TO HIM AND �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE TWO, SIDE ONE, PAGE TWENTY-EIGHT MR. D: (CONTINUED) TOOK OFF. HE DIED LAST, LAST MONTH. HE DIED, HE WAS IN CANON CITY. I SEEN WHERE HE WAS AN OLD MAN, EIGHTY YEARS OLD PRETTY NEAR, AND HE DIED. SHE'D BE WAY UP IN HER SEVENTIES. SHE WENT BACK EAST, YOU KNOW. WENT BACK TO HER FOLKS. HER MOTHER TOLD HER IF SHE MARRIED ANOTHER WESTERNER, SHE'D QUIT HER. BY GOD, SHE MARRIED ANOTHER WESTERNER, SO HER MOTHER QUIT HER. AND WHEN HER MOTHER DIED, SHE WENT BACK, YOU KNOW, AND SHE GOT ALL THAT MONEY. HOW THEY DO. OUT WEST. MS. K: HER MOTHER WAS WEALTHY. SHE HAD A SISTER. YOU KNOW THE SISTER, SHE DIDN'T COME SHE JUST STAYED BACK THERE. WHEN DID BARBARA GLAZE COME OUT? CSS M in d MR. D: 1926. ABOUT THAT TIME. CATTLE. SHE BOUGHT SOME CATTLE, A BUNCH OF HE DIDN'T HAVE A DAMN THING. HE WAS JUST WORTHLESS. HE DIDN'T HAVE NOTHING, BUT SHE BOUGHT HIM CATTLE AND HORSES AND ALL THOSE THINGS. HIS CATTLE. FINALLY, THEY GOT ME TO HELP HIM BRAND WENT UP THERE TO HELP HIM BRAND HIS CATTLE; COME A DRIZZLY RAIN. YOU COULDN'T BRAND THE COWS. IN "TO HELL", I TOLD HIM, I SAYS, "YOU CAN'T BRAND CATTLE IN THIS KIND OF WEATHER", I SAYS, "WAIT TIL THE SUN COMES OUT AND THE CATTLE DRY OFF. BECAUSE YOU TRY TO BRAND THOSE OLD COWS AND THEIR HAIR WILL MAT." YOU KNOW. YOU COULDN'T BRAND THEM, JUST SCALD IT ON, HE DIDN'T KNOW. HE THOUGHT HE KNEW, BUT HE DIDN'T. HE WAS WORTHLESS--- GLAZE. MS. K: I'M GOING TO BACKTRACK A LITTLE BIT AND ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR MOTHER. �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE TWO, SIDE ONE, PAGE TWENTY-NINE MR. D: MOTHER? MS. K: YES. YOU SAID THAT, YOU'D MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT THE CHIEF THAT CAME INTO HER HOUSE. MR. D: THAT'S GRANDMOTHER. CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THAT? MY GRANDMOTHER DELL, HELL, THE INDIANS WOULD COME TO HER HOUSE. SHE'D BAKE BREAD. GIVE THEM A LOAF OF BREAD, AND THEY'D GO. [l AUGHS] YOU HAD TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING, OR BY GOD, THEY'D HANG AROUND FOREVER. MS. K: THEY'D JUST COME RIGHT IN THE HOUSE? MR. D: OH YEAH, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE DOOR LOCKED, THEY'D WALK RIGHT IN. THEY THOUGHT, THEY DIDN'T KNOW ( AUGHs] OR LOOK IN AT THE l WINDOW AND THEN COME IN... GRANDFATHER DOUGLAS, HE KNEW CHIEF DOUGLAS. THAT'S HOW CHIEF DOUGLAS GOT HIS, HE TOOK THAT NAME OF DOUGLAS BECAUSE GRANDFATHER WAS GOOD TO HIM, YOU KNOW, HE WAS GOOD TO THOSE INDIANS. AND YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED TO BE LIKE HIM, YOU KNOW, THEY THOUGHT HE WAS NICE. WELL, ONE OF THOSE CHIEFS, ONE OF THOSE YOUNG FELLOWS, TOOK THE NAME OF DOUGLAS. SO THEY CALLED HIM CHIEF DOUGLAS. MS. K: WHAT KIND OF INDIANS WERE THEY? MR. D: UTES. OH, THAT INDIAN THOUGHT THAT WAS AN AWFUL GOOD NAME. DOUGLAS. SO HE WENT BY THE NAME OF CHIEF DOUGLAS. I GUESS HE WAS IN ON THAT MEEKER DEAL OVER THERE. I KNOW CHIEF DOUGLAS HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. MS. K: WAS YOUR GRANDMOTHER EVER AFRAID OF THESE INDIANS COMING INTO HER HOME? MR. D: SHE WASN'T AFRAID OF THEM, NO. I GUESS. SHE JUST GOT ALONG WITH THEM, JUST BE ALONE AND HAVE A DAMN INDIAN OR TWO WALK IN, YOU WOULDN' KNOW WHAT TO DO. \LAUGHS 1 T �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE TWO, SIDE ONE, PAGE THIRTY MS. K: DID SHE EVER ASSOCIATE WITH ANY OF THE INDIAN WOMEN? MR. D: NO, SHE WOULDN'T. SHE WOULDN'T THEY KNEW COLORAW AWFUL WELL. ASSOCIATE WITH THEM. COLORAW, HETD JUST MAKE HIS ROUNDS AND COME UP CURRENT CREEK, AND WHEREVER HE HAPPENED TO BE, HE'D STOP, AND HE LIKED BISCUITS AND BEANS. [LAUGHS] THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED TO EAT, BISCUITS AND BEANS. GRANDMA SAID YOU ALWAYS HAD TO HAVE A KETTLE OF BEANS COOKED BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T TELL WHEN THAT OLD DEVIL WAS GOING TO SHOW UP. HE'D DEMAND BISCUITS AND BEANS. [LAUGHsJ MS. K: YOU THINK THAT YOUR GRANDMOTHER AND MOTHER, DO YOU THINK THEY LIKED LIVING OUT HERE? MR. D: I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU THINK THEY WERE HAPPY? THEY PROBABLY HAD TO BE. THEY COULDN'T DO MUCH ELSE, I GUESS. MS. K: WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR MOTHER? MR. D: AH, SHE DIED. HAD A HEART ATTACK. THAT WAS BEFORE THEY WAS UO M'l-'CI SO MANY OF THEM. EVERYDAY THEY HAVE HEART ATTACKS, BUT THEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE MANY OF THEM. WOULD HAVE A HEART ATTACK. ONCE IN A GREAT WHILE SOMEBODY NOW, BY GOD, THAT'S JUST AN EVERYDAY OCCURRENCE. MS. K: WHY DO YOU THINK SHE HAD A HEART ATTACK? MR. D: I WOULDN'T KNOW. A LITTLE TOO FAT. SHE QUIT WORKING SO HARD, AND I THINK SHE GOT THAT COULD HAVE BROUGHT IT ON, YOU KNOW. SHE FINALLY GOT SO SHE DIDN'T WORK HARD NO MORE. QUIT. SHE JUST AH, SHE MADE QUIETS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT THAT HARD r WORK, SHE JUST QUIT AND I THINK SHE GOT NOT ACTIVE AND NOT GET OUT AND GO AND DO ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF LIKE SHE DID. �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE TWO, SIDE ONE, PAGE THIRTY-ONE MS: K: SO SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORK AS HARD ANYMORE? MR. D: OH NO, AS SHE GOT OLDER, WE ALL SEEN THAT SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORK AS HARD. MS. K: DID YOU AND YOUR SISTERS TAKE OVER HER CHORES? MR. D: AH, MY SISTERS GOT HITCHED AS QUICK AS THEY COULD. GOT THE HELL AWAY. YOU KNOW, GET AWAY. MS. K: DIDN'T THEY LIKE IT HERE? MR. D: OH LORD NO. MS. K: WHY NOT? MR. D: [LAUGHS^] I DON'T - KNOW. THEY JUST DIDN'T LIKE IT HERE. YOU SEE LOTS OF YOUNG WOMEN THAT LIKES IT HERE. NOW THAT'S UN­ USUAL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BACK IN MY TIME, MY GOD, SHE'D TELL YOU "YES, LET'S GO TO TOWN." MS. K: WHY DO YOU THINK THAT WAS? MR. D: I DON'T KNOW. JUST DIDN'T HAVE TO STAY UP HERE IN THE COUNTRY. ALL OF THEM WOULD LEAVE, GO TO TOWN. BETTER THEY LIKE IT. THE BIGGER TOWN, THE FELLOWS, THEY DIDN'T CARE. THEY'D STAY UP HERE. MS. K: WHO LIVED LONGER, THE MEN OR THE WOMEN? MR. D: THE WOMEN. MS. K: WHY IS THAT? MR. D: I DON'T KNOW. LIVE LONGER. MS. K: THEY DO RIGHT NOW. YEAH, RIGHT NOW, THE WOMEN SEEMS LIKE IT. LOOKING BACK ON THE WAY THINGS WERE FOR YOU AND YOUR SISTERS, IF YOU COULD DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN AND HAD THE CHOICE, WOULD YOU HAVE RATHER BEEN A GIRL OR A BOY IN THE WAY YOU WERE RAISED? �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE TWO, SIDE ONE, PAGE THIRTY-TWO MR. D: BOY. MS. K: HOW COME? MR. D: AH, GOD YOU WERE MORE SUITABLE FOR THE COUNTRY. THEY'D GET OUT AND THEY WERE MORE SUITABLE. COULD COOK. AND ALL OF US CHRIST ALMIGHTY, THEY'D COME OUT TO VISIT ME ON THE RANCH AND MY GOD, I'D DU ALL THE COOKING. THE COOKING. [ AUGHs! NO, l I ’D DO ALL MAKE THE BISCUITS, FRY THE STEAK AND POTATOES. I'D TELL THEM IF THEY WANTED A SALAD THEY HAD TO BRING THEIR OWN STUFF TO MAKE THEIR OWN SALAD BECAUSE I WASN'T MUCH FOR THAT. I'D FRY THE ROAST BEEF AND FRY A STEAK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND MAKE GRAVY, BISCUITS, COFFEE AND BUTTER. I ALWAYS HAD BUTTER FROM MY MILK COWS, AND W E 'D HAVE MILK TO DRINK OR COFFEE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT. GOD DANG, THEY'D COME OUT THERE AND THEY'D EAT AND EAT AND EAT. ^LAUGHS] MS. K DO YOU THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER TO HAVE BEEN A BOY? MR. D YES, IT WAS. MS. K IN WHAT WAYS? MR. D OH, LOTS OF WAYS. YOU KNOW. YOU WERE JUST MORE SUITABLE TO THE COUNTRY, A GIRL, HELL, THEY COULDN'T, AH, THEY WANTED TO GO TO TOWN WHERE IT WAS NICE AND ALL THAT STUFF, YOU KNOW. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PACK WATER AND DIDN'T HAVE TO PACK WOOD. /^LAUGHS MS. K: THEY DIDN'T? MR. D: NOT IN TOWN...AND UP HERE THEY'D HAVE TO, IF A FELLOW WASN'T L M *<0 J AROUND, THEY'D HAVE TO GET WOOD THEMSELVES BY GOD. I GUESS THEY LEARNED TO CUT WOOD AS GOOD AS A MAN DOES. OR GO COLD, FREEZE OUT. EITHER THAT MY SISTERS, THEY GOT OUT, THEY GOT �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE TWO, SIDE ONE, PAGE THIRTY-THREE MR. D: (CONTINUED) OUT AS QUICK AS THEY COULD. THEY, ONE AT A TIME, WOULD GO. MS. K: WHERE ARE THEY NOW? MR. D: AH, ONE IS IN ARKANSAS, AND THE OTHER ONE, SHE'S IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA, SHE WAS, AND I GOT A COUPLE DOWN HERE IN CANON CITY. THEY WOUND UP AT CANON CITY. CALIFORNIA FOR YEARS. THEY WERE UP IN NEVADA AND ONE'S GOT TWO DAUGHTERS THAT'S GOT DAUGHTERS. MS. K: WELL, CHARLIE, CAN YOU THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? MR. D: WELL, LORI, I DON'T KNOW, ITS A, THAT'S ABOUT ALL THE WOMEN I KNEW. YOU KNOW, I KNEW A LOT OF THEM, BUT THOSE THAT HOMESTEADED, THAT'S THE MAIN THING, YOU KNOW. HOMESTEADED AND STUFF LIKE THAT. ROUGH TIMES. THEM THAT THEY WENT THROUGH PRETTY THEY'D COME IN HERE AND HAD A HUSBAND, WHY, HELL, HE'D MAKE THEM A LIVING. OR SOME DAMN THING. HE'D DO SOMETHING, A MINER WORK IN THE MINES OR WORK ON THE RANCH. RANCH JOBS WAS AWFUL, TOO CHEAP OF WAGES FOR A MARRIED MAN. HE JUST COULDN'T KEEP A FAMILY ON THEM SMALL WAGES. THEY'D GET US FELLOWS FOR THIRTY DOLLARS A MONTH AND OUR BOARD AND ROOM. BY,GOD, THAT WAS IT. AND THEY'D GO ON SATURDAY NIGHT, THEY DIDN'T WANT YOU TO GO ON SATURDAY NIGHT, BUT WE'D ALWAYS GO IN ANYWAY. WE'D GO GET SHAVED AND THEN WE'D GO UP TO CRIPPLE CREEK OR SOMEWHERE AND HAVE A HELL OF A GOOD TIME. �INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE DELL TAPE TWO, SIDE ONE, PAGE THIRTY-FOUR MR. D: (CONTINUED) LAUGHS ...WELL, I GUESS THAT'S ABOUT ALL THE GALS I KNOW, OLD GALS, I KNEW A LOT OF THEM, ALL RIGHT. THE COUNTRY AND HOMESTEAD. MS. K: WELL, THANK YOU, CHARLIE. MR. D: YOU'RE WELCOME. L6V/J- Mini END OF TAPE TWO, SIDE ONE COME TO � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Park County Local History Archive Oral History Collection Type The nature or genre of the resource Sound IIIF Collection Metadata UUID 5c855902-aef6-4cbb-bc61-7406bfa5e0aa Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. 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Park County Local History Archive Oral History Collection IIIF Item Metadata UUID 10b68083-4341-4387-bc63-6b41092fd464 https://pclha.cvlcollections.org/files/original/897a8a6b9d27558127b637e796d41b12.mp3 8dd7f3775e550ab5172b56f46281aee1 https://pclha.cvlcollections.org/files/original/9d42c6b4ea31e56f5c14949ff16a7388.mp3 1fe3e1bec633ce0bd24169cb3a1d759c https://pclha.cvlcollections.org/files/original/503f55664c404545d43f197c019828c7.pdf 274e5f886907ac6ab9addd375b9a53a4 PDF Text Text Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 1 INTERVIEW BY BOB HULT July 22, 2004 MB - Mildred Betts HB - Howard Betts This is Bob Hult and today is Thursday July 22, 2004 and we’re in the Harris Park Community Center and I’m interviewing Mildred Betts and we’re going to be discussing her experiences here in Harris Park and in Colorado for that matter. So Mildred, where were you actually born? Mildred: Born in Littleton, Colorado and my dad built the house and the house is still standing – I can’t believe this after all these many years. In Littleton. Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative) Oh my gosh. Mildred: South Sheridan and Coal Mine Road. Now had your parents been from someplace else, or had they been Colorado natives also. Mildred: Well, they’re Colorado natives also. We have a pioneer license because my parents came here when my dad was only twelve years old, so he’s been here along time. He passed away a good number of years ago, but we found Harris Park through some friends of ours as a (inaudible) in Lakewood. We stayed overnight with them over here in the corner; we liked the area so well that we decided to buy the corner lot just south of it. Now what year was that? Mildred: That was ’64. You bought the lot in 1964. Okay and you had been living in Littleton up to that point in time? Mildred: No, we lived in Lakewood. Oh, Lakewood, okay. That’s right, you had moved several places all in Colorado because you are a true Colorado native. Never lived any place outside of the state. Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Huh! I just got curious – your grandparents - where did they come from? Mildred: They also come from Kansas and they lived in Loveland when my Mother died in Loveland, I lived with them and went to school. Okay. Mildred: Grade school, high school. Okay, so you grew up in Loveland then to a large degree. Mildred: Yes. I think you said you were eight years old at the time your mother passed away? Mildred: Yes, mm-hmm. Okay, so your grandparents came from Kansas and so every generation since then has been here in Colorado. Mildred: That’s right. Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 2 Interesting, okay. So you came here in ‘64 – what brought you here? You just liked the area or was there something specific? Mildred: A friend of ours invited us to come up and stay overnight and he lived just north of where we built. Okay, in Harris Park? Mildred: Uh-huh, right there in same area. Well, I can imagine that Harris Park was quite a bit different than it is today. Mildred: Oh yes, uh-uh. There’s only about six families that lived here the year ‘round and I thought, “Well, this is an ideal spot.” Well, it grew - I don’t know how many homes have been built in the last year, which is an awful lot of them been built and the mail - -I talked to the mail carrier one day and said, “Well, there’s six families lived here at one time but now I’m delivering two hundred families of mail,” and it’s been more than that now. This has been several years ago, two hundred families, so there’s a lot of people that’s moved in, built. Absolutely. Now you have a lot of history on Harris Park since you’ve gotten involved with being here for that length of time. You apparently have done a lot of research and talked to people who’ve been here for a longer period than even yourself. What was the origin of Harris Park? Mildred: Well, there’s a group from Florida come up here and bought it all, I don’t know how many acres, my husband could tell you more of that ‘cause he done the roads up here for nineteen years. He knows every corner of the place. Okay. Mildred: Was on house - - put on the Board in 1975 as Recreation Chairman and thoroughly enjoyed it. I talked to several people that had lived up here for years and they told me a lot of stories of even about President Truman coming in here by buggy and horse and buggy and had his still up here on the hill, but whether that’s true or not, I couldn’t tell you. Okay. Mildred: Just news (inaudible) had been Mabel Smith, who was an old-timer and she’s since passed away but my husband, he’s retired Lakewood fireman and we just built a cabin up here to come on weekends and we liked it so well we decided to move up here for a time, so we sold out in Lakewood and moved up here. We moved in 1977. We come up on weekends or days he was off. What year was your cabin built? Mildred: 1967, ‘68? So several years after you bought the property. Mildred: Mm-hmm, yeah we just…didn't have water or anything up here. We just come and camped out more or less until we got the house built with a lot of good help from the firemen we got the house built and decided to move in. So it’s a real community up here of people. Mildred: Mm-hmm. Was there actually a Mr. Harris that this name came from? Mildred: Yes there was and I have a lot of information here about Mr. Harris. Oh, okay. Mildred: And I’ll give that to you – you can fill out what you want of it., but he was State Warden in ?Sparobourey’s? rifle in Colorado so this is with - - his niece, Ann, what was her name - - Ann Harris? Let’s see – she’s from Jonestown, Pennsylvania and I had her name here (looking Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 3 through a scrapbook or clippings). Well anyhow, she stopped in to see where the cemetery was up here, I was out in the yard working and I said, “Well, there’s no cemetery as such, but I’ll show you where Mr. Harris was buried,” and she says, “Well, Mr. Harris was my great grand-uncle and I thought maybe I’d like to see where he’s buried,” so she saw the grave. Well, then when she went home, she sent me all this information about her uncle. He started this property or he bought the development for personal… Mildred: Mm-hmm, he had 200 acres here and he had raised deer for his friends to come in and shoot deer. Ah, okay, so it was a hunting camp. Mildred: Mm-hmm. Okay. Mildred: He built a big house up here and it’s still standing. The fellow that owned the house just passed away this last year – Holland - Mr. Holland – John Holland. Okay. Mildred: He bought the property and had it for years. Right, and that was actually built by this Mr. Charles Harris. Mildred: Mm-hmm, yes it was. Do you know what year he actually built that house? Mildred: No, I sure - - it probably got the information in there. Okay, yeah, I can go through this and see. So he started this as a hunting camp and when did it actually become a community? Did he start selling off lots that people then could build individual homes? Mildred: It was in the late fifties; ’57 I think was - - we have a little shed back here, it’s got a date on it. It used to be the community sales place you know, where they could come in and buy lots so - - and it’s all divided up into lots and … We sure enjoy it up here, I’ll tell you. And this map back her eon the wall; that is the way the lots were all broken up? Mildred: Uh-huh. (affirmative) So that’s when it was sub-divided in the 1950s? Mildred: I have a map here that shows you how it has increased in size and the homes that have been built. Wow! So how many homes are up here now would you say? Mildred: Well, my husband and I used to do the newsletter; we had to come home early from vacation time, which irritated me to get the newsletter out to 2,000 people then and there’s many more now. The original Mr. Harris, wasn’t the one that actually did the subdivision. Did it pass down through his family? Mildred: No, I don’t think so. The group from Florida come in and bought it and then they since sold out – the people that already bought the homes then had to form a club or chairman to try to get more people interested, so they bought them out and we had a big lawsuit and everything. All this history’s in this (presumably pointing to a scrapbook or clippings). I can’t understand why they had so many problems but they had to buy it back from the lawsuit. Interesting. So I was just trying to understand this myself - Harris originally bought the land and then did he have – and I can read some of this material, but I just wanted to capture as much as I can on tape from your understanding - - good morning! Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 4 Mildred: This is my husband, Howard. Howard: Good morning sir, how are you? Very good. We’re just taping right now, discussing some of the history of Harris Park. Howard: (inaudible) Mr. Harris bought the property originally and then you say a Florida group had bought it from him? Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative) That’s the way you understand Florida. Florida come in and bought it from Mr. Harris. Howard: Yeah, what’s the name of that outfit? Mildred: I’ve forgotten the name of it. Okay, and they bought it specifically to turn into a residential community or did they want to keep it as a hunting reserve? Howard: It’s hard telling. I think they wanted it as a more of a bedroom community or a vacation community. Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative). They were the ones that originally subdivided the community? Howard: As far as I understand. Okay. Howard: And that’s why they did it wrong. See, everything up here is wrong because the streets are too narrow and nothing has ever been accepted by the County. Right. Howard: So the County won’t come in here and be on this ?oil? road here and do anything. Right. I came up on Shelton Road off of 43; it’s in terrible condition. Mildred: Mm-hmm. And I guess it’s always been that way, so… Howard: Yeah. They are cooperating with community pretty good; the County is by doing a little grader work and kind of and helping in some ways, but it’s not near like it ought to be. And that goes back to the fact that the original sub-divider, this Florida group, just didn't do the roads property in the first place? Mildred: That’s right. Howard: Well, they did it according to the times, see that was way back in ’54 or something I think, wasn’t it? What time frame was that? Mildred: Yeah, ’54, ’55. Howard: They subdivided this and as far as we know, the County accepted it as a subdivision and yet they won’t take responsibility of the road because the roads aren’t wide enough and all this to go by the standards now. So is the property on both sides, it encroaches on what would be the road? Howard: Yeah. Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 5 So they’d have to get new dedicated roadbeds and that would be really difficult I suppose. So this remained private property, this Harris group, until - - or Harris individual or family at least – until the early 1950s, is Mildred: I think so. That’s when they started selling the (inaudible) sold out in ‘50s. They sold out in the fifties. When do you think they bought it? Do you have any idea when that was actually purchased. Mildred: I sure don’t. Okay. Howard: I don’t know, didn't this subdivision start in about ’54? Mildred: Yeah, but Florida didn’t have it then, did they? Howard: Oh yeah, they had it to start with and that was this little shed out here was their sales building. Right, okay. Howard: At the time. Mildred: It probably is then. Howard: And when they - - I really don’t know how …it got transferred from them to whatever. I don’t know, maybe in the file someplace it might say something , but… I imagine down in Fairplay there’s a record of when they acquired the property from the Harris family or whoever at that point in time owned this immediate vicinity. Mildred: Mm-hmm. (affirmative) Because a lot of national Forest is just adjacent, just north of here. Mildred: That’s right. So this has been private for a very long time. Howard: See, about the time of the change from this real estate outfit sold to whoever they did, either or did what they did now or something, is when some kid or somebody got kicked by a horse and there was a lawsuit and against the community here and I guess they had to finally pay off to get something clear. Mildred: They did. Howard: I don’t know, so the answer there is too legal for me I guess. It’s kind of fuzzy. Mildred: Yeah. So then this - - it was turned over or sold to, from the Florida group, to individual owners then of individual lots? Mildred: yeah, the people that hat had already bought the property started up the group. Oh. Mildred: I read that somewhere in the history way back. Okay, and then it’s been that way since. Is it an incorporated city or is it just a group of individual owners with - - I mean, the Harris Park name is just something they‘ve assumed? Howard: (inaudible). Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 6 And it’s like Deer Creek Valley Ranchos; it’s an area outside of the incorporation of Bailey. It’s not a legal entity in the sense that it’s you know, a city or a town or anything like that. Mildred: They said this is the first development … Howard: Just a part of Park County, is about all it amounts to. That and it’s in the Platte Canyon Park Collection District and they also have a water and sewer district up here – Harris Park water and sewer. So you have your own. Howard: That’s one of the reasons that that was - - I think when we first ever came up here, there used to be piles of pipe, different places like they were going to put in sewer and all this. Right. Howard: And then of course it all just disappeared that (inaudible) looks that had people buy property I think, so… Mildred: Dreams. And that was in the sixties, early sixties when you saw the pipe here. Howard: Yeah, that was … Okay. Howard: And then of course, none of that ever happened and water and sewer, neither one of them was - - as far as the water goes, they got a well out here that they use for the whole community and … Mildred: They have three lakes they take care of. Howard: No sewer or anything at all. There’s no individual wells then. Howard: It’s all individual. Mildred: All individual. Oh, it is individual. So you don’t have central water. Howard: No. But you do have a central sewer system, or do you have septic tanks? Mildred: Septic tanks. Your own individual septic, okay. Howard: Yeah, there’s no central units of any kind. This little well that’s out here, you have to drive in and fill your water containers and drive out. The people that do that, they need it because they don’t their own well. Mildred: Right. Howard: When it first started, nobody had wells too much up here; this was just a cabin up here. An old cabin to get away from things and you had a place to get water and you’d build an outhouse and that was it! And that was the sixties. Howard: Yeah. It isn’t that long ago. That’s interesting. Was the well a pump-type or was it electric or what? Howard: This one out here? Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 7 Mildred: No, the community well. Howard: It’s electric. It’s electric, okay. Howard: Yeah, that’s just like a whole well, it’s got the spigot up out of the ground and when you shut off of course, the water drains down so it won’t freeze. That’s the only thing they have as far as the water and sewer department goes, but they do keep up the lakes. We got this pond out here and then we got lake number one and two that they keep up. I don’t know when those lakes was put in. These’s both man-made. Okay, so their not natural, they were actually created. Do you know who made them or what the purpose was or was it probably for a fishing pond? Mildred: Just for fishing. Howard: Well, more for fishing than anything else. Okay, so they would stock them. Are they deep enough that they won’t freeze in winter? Howard: Oh yeah. Yeah, they’re oh, anywhere from twelve to twenty feet deep. Okay, so you could keep fish in there year-round and it wouldn’t freeze them. Howard: Yeah, they do ice-fishing up here once and awhile, too. But you don’t have any idea when those or who actually dug those lakes out. Mildred: (inaudible) some of the history that they was going to throw away so I’ll have to dig those out for you. BH Okay, I was just kind of curious to see if we could get an understanding of where these things all came from. Who actually dug the well, the original well. Do you know who dug that? Mildred: Property owners probably, the ones who took over when the (inaudible) quit; probably built the wells, don’t you think? Just like putting in the fireplace, just the names of all of the people up there that built the fireplace. Oh! When was this community center built, do you know? Howard: Oh boy, we had some --Mildred: We moved in in ‘64 it was here. Howard: Someplace. So this could go back to the fifties. Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Howard: Oh yeah. Potentially. Howard: Yeah. See this floor, I understand is a good hardwood floor and it came out of the church that was demolished, so this place is kind of built on a volunteer basis and stuff. Mildred: This lady here (pointing) died at 102 years, she helped lay the floors in the community center and this is something I’ve done. Me and another lady, her daughter and I started with this (gesturing) everybody that passes away that’s lived up here and owned property, they get their name on the board. What was her name, the 102 --Mildred: What was her name? It’s been so long I’ve forgotten. Howard: Margie Adams. Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 8 She was one of the people that (inaudible) for a real long time, probably from the beginning, so she might have been here in the early fifties. Interesting, okay. So you had your own fire department here also then originally. Howard: Yeah, on this hill over what building is now, of course that’s a brand new one there, but we built the other all on long-term basis. Everybody pitched in to help. Mildred: This is 1966, there’s pictures (presumably showing pictures to the interviewer). Howard: By material to build up our house were all donated. Mildred: It was community property where they put the firehouse up, wasn’t it? I think it was community property. Howard: Yeah, oh, I don’t know. Mildred: That’s our first equipment, our fire department equipment (looking at the photo album). A little red Jeep. It’s like a military Jeep? Mildred: And we hauled it up from… Howard: Yeah, we went to the Black Forest down by Colorado Springs. Oh, okay. Howard: Got one of the old Army Jeeps that was a 24-volt system on it. (laughter). Okay. Howard: We had it for awhile. Mildred: Pulled a trailer behind it, had a trailer. Well, you need that to get into some of these roads. It must be difficult in wintertime with some of these road, because if we get a good, that - - well, we had that snowstorm two years ago in March? We had five feet. That must have been unbelievable up here! Mildred: It was something. Howard: People leave a car at the bottom of the hill (inaudible) in the wintertime. Mildred: yeah, and walk up. That was the biggest snow we’d had in all the time we’ve lived up here. Howard: And of course, most everybody got a four-wheel drive anymore, so… Well, yeah I can understand that. SO you actually added equipment then as it became available as time went on. Looks like you had a little tank truck. Mildred: Mm-hmm That looks like a ‘40s period truck (looking at photos). Mildred: Yeah, this is our equipment that brought it up from the Black Forest. Okay. Oh yeah, you trailered it up; the Jeep and … Mildred: Even had the fire department auxiliary women that took part in Bailey Days. Everything up here is pretty much a community-based volunteer kind of thing. Mildred: Mm-hmm. And in a sense you’re kind of isolated because you’ve got all this Forest land around here and you’re basically at the end of 43. Mildred: What was really funny is my husband, the Lakewood fireman, they had some equipment to sell so that’s the first big fire truck we had. Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 9 It’s a real truck! A real fire truck. Mildred: Yeah, mm-hmm. Do you have dues that pay for equipment like that and maintenance of the lakes and those kinds of things? How do you - - what - Mildred: A lot of it came from our bingo that we used to play bingo to get equipment. Really! Howard: We used to have pretty good crowds in here at bingo all the time when it was all volunteer but I don’t know, now, people just stay home I guess, I don’t know. Mildred: Watch television. They have satellite TV now, so… (laughter). What was it like when you first came here in the sixties. It was a smaller community for sure. How different was it then as it is now? What kids of changes did you see over the years? Mildred: A lot of people moving in and changing things. Howard: Bigger houses, more expensive houses. Mildred: Our house used to be the nicest looking one around and then they come in and start building $115,000, $200,000 homes. Yeah, this is mainly jus the fire equipment here that we… the new had Huck Finn, being recreation channel… Howard: When we first moved up here then the fire house was built; it was built on the idea that we didn't have any real close fire protection (inaudible) Bailey and that was… Crow Hill. Howard: And they were thirty minutes away with a fire truck coming up. Mildred: They didn’t even have it on Crow Hill, it was down in Bailey who had that… (inaudible) Oh really, the one in Crow Hill didn't even exist. Okay. Howard: We call it Harris Park Volunteer Fire Department; we built the fire house up here, not knowing that we’re within the Platte Canon Fire Protection District! So in later years and so on, then of course we worked together and then we donated the land to them. That’s why they built the new fire house over here and kind of merged with them and Harris Park kind of went by the wayside. Now it’s volunteer residents in the area that are basically with the fire department here? Howard: Yeah, everything’s volunteer – roads and everything else. Mildred: And the Fire Department. Right. Howard: We try to keep the roads up and stuff. Mildred: It’s a pretty nice-looking fire house actually. Absolutely! It’s a very good looking building. Mildred: I hate to see it go down, but then we knew we was going to get a better one. Well yeah, you’ve got a lot more equipment now, but prior to this being built, there was no fire protection other than what came out of Bailey? Mildred: That’s right. Did you have fires up here? Like forest fires I guess that would be the first question. Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 10 Howard: No, we’d had some residential fires and different things to own (inaudible) gets a little fire in his back yard and neighbor complains about it, the Fire Department goes out and decides it is a dangerous situation and puts it out. Sure, sure. You never had any big fire s up though that you’re aware of, before the fire department got built? Howard: Yeah, I think so. They did? Howard: I think they did. I’m not too sure about the time before we got here, but that was one of the reasons here I think everybody got behind it to get a fire department going up here. How about emergency – was there a doctor living up here if you needed an emergency and somebody was having a severe problem, you just had to run in to - - where would you go? Howard: Well, I think there’s some EMTs that probably live fairly close and they’ve got their main outfit at the top of Crow Hill. Mildred: They do now, but when we came up they didn’t have much, that’s for sure. Howard: Oh no. Mildred: They didn’t have anything. Howard: There wasn’t anything. As a matter of fact, when we had a call here the lady from the ?graw? got on 285 by Longs’ Brothers. Mrs. Long and her husband had an ambulance there at Long Brother’s Garage and that building is still there. Oh yeah! Howard: They used to come up here. Howard: That was more or less our closest ambulance service at that time and I’m not sure when Platte Canyon Ambulance Service ort what ever they’re called now, I’m not sure when it started. And that was where the ambulance was kept. Okay. Now you had telephone service when you came up here in the sixties, right? Mildred: Right, out of Pine, Colorado. Out of Pine? Mildred: Mm-hmm. Not Pine Junction, but Pine. Mildred: Actually our mail and everything came out of Pine. We had a very different number and then it was all changed when they … Howard: We had a box number and… Out of Pine! Howard: All this stuff, yeah. They’d come out of Pine and then I don’t know, they closed that one at Pine I guess and it’s Pine Junction now. About that time I think, they changed over to Bailey, so we get service out of Bailey. Do you know when that period was or when that actually that changed occurred? Mildred: It was after we moved in, so it must have been ’75, ’74, ’75 I bet. Howard: Probably, something like that. Okay, interesting. I wonder why Pine? Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 11 Mildred: Yeah, that’s what we thought, too. It’s kind of - - my niece came from California and there was a “Betts” in Pine, Colorado. Well, he was the fire chief: B-E-T-Z. Ah, okay. Mildred: And that’s where she got mixed up, not knowing that we were in Bailey, but we had a Pine address. Yeah, absolutely. So when you moved here in ’64 - you actually bought the property in ‘64 – how many residents would you guess were actually living up here at that time? Mildred: We were told six the year ‘round. Just six. Mildred: Mm-hmm. It’s expanded. Just six. Year round, okay. Howard: Yeah, summertime, why… Mildred: Then a lot more come. Howard: That’s when the taverns would roll. That’s what this was originally set out for, just a cabin community to get away and fish and of course, this guy Harris, he kind of run a little ranch up here where big shots could come hunting and all this kind of stuff. Mildred: Yeah, I was telling him about that. Yeah, Deer Creek they actually raised deer so the hunters could come I guess from back East would come as this far and there looked like there hunting or fishing lodges along Deer Creek also that were kind of falling apart now, but I think that is what it was. This was considered a recreational area. Mildred: Mm-hmm. Howard: Yeah, we’ve heard different stories. There used to be a lumber mill up in here someplace too, but we’ve never seen any signs of it but some old-timers has told us that Bisgaard or somebody told us about that and some of the people here says, “Well, there used to be a whiskey still up here by that big rock,” and … Mildred: I was telling that too, about the history. Howard: I guess the stagecoach used to run pretty close to here, I think. Oh really! Well, I know it came up in the Deer Valley - - at least I was told it came up into Deer Valley. Now how far it came up, I don’t know, but I do know there was also a lot of logging at the turn of the century up this whole valley for Denver, basically. There’s no mining, or there wasn’t’ any indication of mining in this area, was there? Howard: No, the only mine is kind of a oh, what do they call- Littleton Rock Hounds or something – they got a little mine up here on the rock.. Mildred: Rock. Rock mine. Howard: Rock mine. I think they dig for these black rocks every - - they dig for something, I don’t know, but it’s just a small area and it’s all on top of the ground. Okay. There’s no commercial mining for silver or gold or anything like that. Mildred: Right. Just a club that comes in. Howard: I think the closest to that is probably up Hall Valley. Yeah, exactly. We’ve hiked up in there and you can see there’s some pretty significant mining at that time. Howard: Those old mines up there. Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 12 Beautiful part of the country, too. Howard: It’s not too far right over that thing you get over into … Well, you get in towards Breckenridge, Dillon, Silverthorne, those areas. Howard: Yeah. You know, on the other side of Boreas Pass, but there are no minerals here that you are aware of at this point. Mildred: Mm-hmm (negative). Okay. Weather-wise, have you noticed any change in the weather patterns from when you moved here? Howard: Weather patterns? I mean, was it warmer, colder, wetter, drier? Howard: Oh yeah. We used to get snow up to here (gesturing); it’s been so long now, we get it down to here (gesturing) if we get that much. Mildred: We’s building up here, we had to park the car here at the community center and walk across because we couldn’t get into our place. It was a good three feet of snow then, but we haven’t seen too much snow really. Just that bad one last year, it was fierce. Howard: The thing that I notice and maybe that’s because a guy gets older or something, is the cold. We’ve had continued cold. Mildred: I know, twenty below even this last winter. Howard: Below zero up here quite a few times and it just don’t get the snow that we used to get. Mildred: A lot of cold though. Do you actually think it’s dryer, but actually colder? Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative). That’s interesting, okay. My wife is involved with this ?CoCorouse? wich is kind of a study of moisture levels and temperatures throughout the state and it’s interesting – there’s certain pockets that get a lot more rain than others and they can only be a mile or two apart. Just amazing. Now I’ve noticed - - I can see this valley from our home and it looks like you’ve gotten a lot of rain. Mildred: Oh yes. Much more rain than what we’ve gotten and we’re only I would guess, as the crow flies, no more than three or four miles. Mildred: Yeah, mm-hmm. But I can look out my window and this area looks like it’s being hosed, so I don’t know, maybe we’re in a long-term cycle, I don’t know. Mildred: Yah, it’s sure been wet the last few months - - weeks. Howard: I think we’ve seen some cycles up here, too where some years will have more than others. Sure. Howard: And you go through a winter that just don’t seems like you have hardly any snow because you only got six inches or whatever, so then next winter you might get something that’s got a foot or two foot of snow. Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 13 Mm-hmm, but you think you’ve gotten more snow back in those days, back n the sixties, than what we’re seeing here now? Mildred: Mm-hmm. Howard: Yeah, it’s changed altogether it seems like to me. Is there any other changes that you’ve seen in the years that you’ve been here. You’ve been here, you know, going on forty-some years. Have you seen any other changes? You mentioned that the homes have gotten larger; have the people, the nature of the people here, changed? Howard: Yeah, to me it’s more of big-city people moving in and they’re - - of course, we haven’t heard of too much or anything, but they’re wanting roads, they’re wanting police protection, they’re wanting all this stuff that they got down there. Mildred: Like they had in town. Sure, absolutely. Howard: And we don’t have it and when you got to wait thirty minutes for a deputy to show up, why, you know ,that don’t set right with them because they think they aught to be right next door to somebody. It doesn’t work that way up here. I mean, you don’t get both. I mean, you don’t have the city services when you live out in the country. Howard: I think the people there- traffic’s different, traffic is quadrupled from what it used to be. Mildred: Oh yeah. It used to be you go out to 285, you might run - - might be three or four cars you pass. Howard: They bring their city – driving with them, right on your tailgate when you go out, you know don’t abide by the speed limit, you know. Even this day within five miles it would be different, but you can go down the highway doing the speed limit and they pass you they’ll want more than that. Oh, absolutely. Howard: And they just don’t’ do that to pass you! After they pass you, then zoom! They’re one! Was 43 a paved when you moved out here? Mildred: No, it was all dirt road. It was a dirt road. Mildred: Mm-hmm. When was 43 actually paved then? Mildred: Well, let’s see, what did I say? End Side a Start Side b We were talking about changes up here,. Have there ever been stores or commercial buildings up here where you had you, know, lie ka food store or drug store? Mildred: Grocery store here now. Is there a grocery store here now? Howard: That’s commercial property. That’s the only commercial property in Harris Park.. Mildred: it used to be a lumber yard. We wanted to buy it at the time. Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 14 Howard: It originally started as a lumber yard because people were doing a little building up here then it changed over to a store and changed hands quite a few times. Huh! Howard: It even had a gas tank and a pump up here at one time. Really! Howard: The guy that sold out, he decided he’d just have it taken out when he sold the place because, I don’t know what was involved Okay. Mildred: Environmentalists wanted him to take it out if I understand. Howard: Yah, he had a big problem in the late eighties, early nineties with those tanks that were rusting and leaking and especially it would affect the ground water, so yeah, a lot of tanks were replaced. So right now you have a food store? Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative). A little small, like a grocery store. Mildred: Grocery store, liquor store. Okay, got that. It’s all in one? Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative) same people have - - and then just like these people really didn’t want to sell liquor, they’re good Christians you know, but that’s their business. They sell more liquor than they do groceries I think. Howard: I think when they bought the store. Of course, it’s a package deal where people take it out and take it home and do what they want. Okay, but you say originally the building itself was a lumber store. Mildred: Mm-hmm. Howard: It was a lumber yard. Mildred: What was the name of that lumber yard in Lakewood? There, he - Howard: Scatterday’s. Mildred: Scatterday. He was on the board with Mr. Scatterday and his folks is the one that owned the lumber yard. Do you have any idea when that got started? It was here before you came here? Mildred: Before we got here. I suppose in the late sixties. Howard: Yeah, that sold ‘case we’s talking about - weren’t we talking buying before we even bought lot over here. Mildred: Mm-hmm. They went up too much in their price so we told them to keep because it was too expensive. Howard: Yeah, they went up $500 and I…it was at that time. $500 was a lot of money. Well, exactly. It’s still not exactly small change, but… Mildred: Mm-hmm (negative). Okay, so were there any other stores up here in the history of this area? Mildred: (Mm-hmm (negative). Howard: No. Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 15 Mildred: That was the only one. That’s pretty much it. Of course, having a grocery store, even a small one, would really be a big convenience because it’s a long haul if you want a real food store you have to go all the way to Conifer. Mildred: mm-hmm (affirmative). Howard: Yeah. This is more like a convenience store where you can go in… Mildred: You can get about most anything there though. Done real well, these people that have had it – good job. Now did you go into Bailey if you wanted more groceries, or did you go to Conifer? Mildred: Well, we had to go to town about once a week or every other week so we’d pick up groceries on the way home from the stores. In the late sixties though was Conifer there at that time, the Safeway? Mildred: No, it was just a gas station when we was building up here. Oh really! Howard: Oh, you had to bring your groceries from town or you could go down into Bailey… Mildred: They had a grocery store there, yeah. Howard: Bailey Country Store I think it’s called. Still there. They’ve been there a long time. Oh yes. Howard: As a matter of fact, there’s a little history on that place, too. The sidewalk right out in front used to be about three foot above the ground. Oh really. Howard: Yeah, it’s my understanding – this is what I’ve heard – but they’ve had one and possibly two floods in Bailey . Huh. From the South Platte? Howard: From the Platte Canyon by the Forestry Service Building. Right. Howard: I guess and that’s what’s kind of raised the ground up or whatever it is! That’s interesting. Mildred: That history we got from McGraw down there. We met her too, but the way. Now who’s this? Mildred: Mrs. McGraw that had all that property down there. Her grandparents used to have the market there, the Bailey market. Oh, I may have interviewed her. I’d have to look in the list again and see, because… Mildred: They had that history down there. I just interviewed a lady whose been there for some time – Woody Day. Mildred: Mm-hmm. When he was working for the Post office, but she’s been there oh, forty, forty-five year and she had a lot of history of what it was like there at that time. She was in the early fifties. Mildred: Bisgaards, too gave me a lot of information about Harris place up there, but you’d have to talk to here because I don’t know the dates or anything, but they used to have ice - -build ice Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 16 up there. It used to be a Harris lake – good night, that was one of the prettiest lakes we had up there, but they had - - Water Board had to drain that. Really! Howard: Yeah, the lake leaked; it wouldn’t hold water, so they just breached the dam so they wouldn’t get water in and besides, you had to bring water in from the next valley over goes down into number two lake and had a ditch all the way from that one about a mile long, a ditch that brought over into Harris lake, but you couldn’t - - you had to keep that up every year and it didn't get no help to do it and … Mildred: He was on the Water Board about that time when we had to do all that. Howard: The ditch would wash out and so on, so it just discontinued using it but everybody wants a lake back up there, but they don’t think about the consequences of what it takes to get a lake up there. Mildred: That’s what they bought – lakefront property. Well, exactly. Well, there aren’t very many natural lakes in this area, that’s for sure. There’s one at the top of hall Valley for instance, but that’s a natural one and I still have yet to understand how trout got up there because we’ve hiked up there and you see trout jumping out of the pond at it’s at the end of a cirque. Mildred: Oh gee, isn’t that something? And it’s way - - it’s above timberline. Mildred: Mm-hmm. And trout are up there! And it’s like, “How did they get there?” Mildred: Yeah, that’s right. And those people stocked them. Well, so the Harris house is still here. Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative). And you’re not sure when that was actually built though. Mildred: Sure don’t. I bet I could look it up and find out though. Oh I can check this out and see because it would be interesting to understand and it’s still privately owned. Mildred: Yes and it’s for sale now. Really. Mildred: He just - - I was telling about John Holland passing away that owned it. It would be interesting to understand the history of that - - you know, did they use natural materials in building that or does that go back before the turn of the century? Mildred: I imagine with ?Joe’s? Isn’t it that old house in Harris Park? That old house up here? Howard: Big one? Mildred: Yeah, wasn’t that all logs? Howard: yeah. Mildred: Yeah. Howard: There it was one… and two other cabins besides the big house ad the garage wasn’t there of course, she’s built a big two-car garage to (inaudible). Do you think when it was developed to be like a hunting area, did they build those cabins for people to come and stay while they were up here hunting? Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 17 Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Howard: I think that’s what it was yeah, ‘cause the people that come up in those days they’d come up in wagons or horseback or well, might have rode the train to Bailey and then come back through the (inaudible ) whatever. Yup. That was the way of getting up this valley at that time. Schools. Was there ever a school up here? Howard: Schools? Mildred: Yeah, Deer Creek was built after we came in. Howard: Yeah, Deer Creek Elementary was built after we came in. Mildred: We have a friend that lived in Bailey and she went to school up there at Camp IdRa-Ha-Je, that big building. Right. That was the school. Mildred: That was the only school they had. Right. Mildred: And she told me about riding the old milk truck up there to go to school because she lived in Bailey south of the Platte. Yeah, that was a great school as well as a high school for a long period of time. Then they started building the other ones on the other side of town. But there was never a school up here. Mildred: Mm-hmm (negative). how about a church. I think you’d mentioned that this building or this area had a church in it? Mildred: Yeah, he helped build it. I got that information here. They built it in 1989. Oh, okay. It’s a very new one then. Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Anything prior to that? Was there a church that goes back? Mildred: We met in the building here. When we first came and moved up here, the church was here in the Community Center every Sunday and they had a bell up here. Okay. Mildred: And when they built the church up there they took the bell from up here and put it up there and that bell was given to us from a party in Lakewood, so they said they needed a bell and being a church, so we donated that bell and put it up here in the building!. Okay. And the church was where? Mildred: Right up the street here, right across from the store. Oh, okay. Is that a non-denominational church? Mildred: Sure is. Howard: Yeah, it’s called the Harris Park Bible Church. It’s all non-denominational, anybody can - - small group. It might go as high as about thirty people. Mildred: In the summertime there was always more. It’s probably part of the social structure up here, too. Mildred: Here’s some information if you need it. I just made it out to … Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 18 Okay. Howard: No, that was all built with volunteer funds, too. Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Exactly. Howard: Volunteer help. We did have some money that we bought the materials with ‘cause it’s been, well, the church, when it was even going down here – we had a Building Fund and our money was given into the building fund. One lady especially give an awful lot of money. Mildred: That was $300. Howard: John Ohlbrect of Id-Ra-Ha-Je was an awful big help in our church, too. He helped us while we was even down here in the church by coming in and preaching or seeing that we had somebody or something like that. As far as social activities, this Community Center was pretty much the center of activities. You had bingo, did you have dances or…? Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Kids - - when I was Recreation Chairman I had teen dances down here and had live bands. Oh okay. This would be late sixties, early seventies? Mildred: Yeah, it was in ’75 I was Recreation Chairman, ’75, ’76 and you probably know Carl Thompson? He’s the one that built a lot of houses up in here. Oh, okay. Mildred: And he’s the one that the designed the church. Howard: he was the big man behind the church up there because he knew how to build, he made his own plans and own crew Mildred: Had a lot of help. Howard: and turned out to be real good and the main part of the church was the first built and then the next year, or two after that, we built the addition onto it. So it was built in two different - we had enough money left over that we could built the addition on and then that left us with just enough money for a Working Fund. Yeah, that’s part of a small church also and it’s a struggle sometimes. Howard: As far as I know, that’s never been in debt up there at all. Oh, that’s nice. Howard: It’s a free church. Mildred: There’s a group that came in here and wanted to take it over because it was all free gratis and there was no debt against it, but they didn’t succeed. Personal question: you’ve been here a long time, forty some years. What’s the most outstanding event that you can recall in your period of living up here. Is there any particular thing that occurred in that whole time slot that really stood out as being significant to you? Mildred: Well, I was Reunion Chairman on the Board for twenty-one years. We’d always, every year, get all the old people back up and this was what brought this on. People ‘d pass away, we’d send them an invitation to come for a memorial for that particular party and … And people would be scattered back to Denver or out of state or anywhere. They had lived here for a period of time and then gone someplace, but you maintain a record of where there are. Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 19 Mildred: Mm-hmm, yeah. It was interesting when we were getting the newsletters out; we knew where people lived, a lot of them in Hawaii and Texas and New York. We were surprised that so many people’d come from so many miles away, you know. Right, interesting. Howard: Kind of hard to think of the most outstanding events that might happen up here because they all seem like… Mildred: Everything was important. Howard: Little old great big outstanding things. What would you say that stood out in your mind as being significant while you lived up here that was… Howard: Oh, we even had the fireworks off of the dam down at Number One lake. When was that? Howard: A guy a come in and set up the regular deal and really shot them. Mildred: The Fire Department, yeah. Howard: I can’t remember the dates. So that was some time several years ago? Howard: Oh yeah, it’s been quite a while ago. Mildred: Probably in the eighties Howard: Then they kind of banned that altogether. Of course, we always took our Volunteer Fire Department and stood by you know, and then we shot out over the lake so it was kind of fairly safe, but then after a few of these fires, why, you get kind of a scare. Oh yes. Howard: So I just decided to stay from it altogether, Well, we moved here in 200 and I had the - - what’s the name of the fir behind the high school? Mildred: Oh yeah. Snaking Fire and then 2002, we had the High Meadows – not High Meadow – what was the other one. It was a big one, like a 150,000 acres. So yeah, it’s a big concern. Mildred: It’s too close for comfort, isn’t it? Yeah. What do you think of this fire mitigation program that the Federal Government is talking about, the thinning of the forests and reducing the fire load of materials. IS that something that you think makes sense here? Because you’ve got a lot of National Forest surrounding you, so you’re vulnerable if those forests were to catch fire, that would be a big concern. Have you investigated that or have you got any opinions about that? Howard: Oh, I don’t know, I guess fire Department has got some real good equipment for advanced fire-fighting and wildfires and stuff like this. Mildred: We had the Fire Chief come out and tell us that we’re pretty fortunate in this area because there isn’t any trees too close and the new had the three lakes here. Right, you’ve got a good water supply. Mildred: And we always go by the lakes you know, so he said we’re pretty safe up here, just to make sure that the trees weren’t too close to our houses you know. Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 20 You’re dealings with park County Government. It appears to me in talking to people, and we’ve only been here four years, but it appears to me that there seems to be a lot of dissention and controversy regarding Park County and the way things are governed, especially the difference between the south of the Kenosha Pass and north, because there’s two different interest groups there. Do you have any experience with Park County as far as the government structure and support that you get from the County here? Howard: Well, I think Harris Park as a whole, people up here are kind of disgruntled with the policies and stuff that they have up there in Fairplay and of course, we’re like a sore thumb up here. We’re all this past and so on and a lot of people come here and don’t understand it until they finally dig into all of it and then up goes the “For Sale” sign and they’re gone. I really don’t know. I think that the County is doing the best they can with what money they got. Maybe they need some heads up there that can do more by bringing in more revenue or something, but I don’t know – that’s up to them. That’s a little beyond me. I’ve been on boards like the Fire Board and the (inaudible) Board up here stuff but that’s just small potatoes according to what they got ‘cause really, Park County is got a big problem. Mildred: The Water Board. In the sense that because it’s so different, or what sense they’ve got a big problem? Howard: Well, I think their (inaudible) grids is one on the account of trying to keep up with the weather and our conditions around here, deteriorating roads and stuff like that, why, it just isn’t like some of these other places where you grade a road once and it’s graded for awhile, but here, you’ve got to over about every day! Is that because of the nature of the soil itself? Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative). It’s decomposed granite or what? Howard: Yeah and then the rain comes along and… It flows. Howard: Flows, yeah. Washed away. Yeah, we had the same problem where we live, too. Howard: But I don’t know, it seems to me that the - - you don’t really know these things; you’re just kind of on the outside watching them. It looks to me like they’ve owned a few things and they sell them and like buildings, and they’ll go and rent one someplace else and pay a lot of rent for it and then pretty soon they’ll get the idea that maybe they’ll build their own building. The last one they built was down in Bailey and I just wonder how long they’re going to keep that one? That was a very expensive building, too for what they got. That’s a huge amount of money. Has it always been that way in your experience with park County when you fist moved here in the sixties, was it like that also? Howard: I think so. They’ve always moved around. They’ve been in this building and that building and another building and I don’t now – maybe it depends on - - maybe I’m getting kind of psychic but it depends on who’s in charge up there and where they rent or something, I don’t know. Well, it does appears there’s - - people in South Park have totally different interests than the people on this side of the pass and so there’s always been that question. In fact… Howard: Well, that’s the ranch community over there and over here, it’s more - - I don’t know, it’s more people, so on. They’ve even talked about moving the County Seat to Bailey, but that’s just talk. They’ll never do that. No. Bailey is not an incorporated town and you have to have an incorporated town. They really should have split the County when you really get down to it. Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 21 Howard: (inaudible) I think that’s - - I’ve been on the Sheriff’s Posse and I’ve done a lot of things up around Fairplay and beyond and so on and you’ve got to take the whole thing in perspective. You can’t just say, “Well, I want it this way because I’m here.” You know, you can’t do that. You’ve got - - there’s other people you Sure. You mentioned the Sheriff’s Posse. In your experience of having been here, has crime ever been a problem up here? Mildred: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Just about every week. Howard: Oh, we’ve had a few people’s that have come up here and committed suicide, but that’s not what you call an outstanding crime I guess. No. Howard: The biggest thing is break-ins. Like in the winter time, cabins aren’t used and especially in the old days, why, there wasn’t very many people up here and heck, you’d find a cabin that was broke in and it had been lived in for awhile; a good month or so. And nobody … Howard: And you’d see trucks from this cabin over at this cabin and this cabin, this cabin, Mildred: Taking wood. Howard: And find out they’ve all been broke in! And then when you finally break down that you’ve got to do something about it, why, they’re gone. Right. HB: They seem to know, you know, (laughter). Okay! Howard: No, that’s the biggest thing that I can see that we’ve had up here. Well, without a bank you can’t have a bank robbery and so it’s probably been a pretty quiet community all the time you’ve been here. Howard: Well, we still have a little bit of that break-in anyway so (inaudible) Really. Howard: People get tired of nothing to do, I guess or think they got nothing to do and so they want to go out and raise a little heck. Mildred: This Harris Park has had a bad name. A bunch of druggies move in here, but we’ve got a lot of good kids, too. You’ll find that everywhere. Well, it’s neat to see that there’s been a community effort here to build what you have and there has to be a sense of community you know, and the place is isolated and since it is isolated… Mildred: There used to be five people on the Board and now we got seven on the Board, which I think - - and the Road Commissioner and different… Howard: Yeah, they got laws but they don’t’ enforce them up here except when they do, they enforce something that easy to enforce, I guess. We got people up here that drag stuff in and pretty soon they’ve got a big junk yard out here and more cars than you can shake a stick at and I think the law says that automobiles on your place have to be licensed and they have to be runable. Right. Howard: If they aren’t, then you’ve got a limited time to get rid of them or something like that. But it’s not enforced. Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 22 Mildred: Mm-hmm ( negative). Howard: No. Yeah, we’ve even had that in Deer Creek Valley Ranches. We have people that have multiple vehicles and other individuals got all kinds of appliances on their property and it’s brought to the County’s attention and they’ve basically chosen to ignore it. So they’re not enforcing their zoning. Howard: Well, you say anything to them, “Well, we don’t have the money to do it with.” Exactly. That seems to be the answer to just anything. Howard: If you can’t service them, then bring them to Court and they haven’t got the money to do it will. Well,… So you’re basically allowing it to happened and so people will understand they can get away with it. That’s a problem all over the County. Howard: Yeah, I supposed you can’t do anything as far as their property goes. Go in there and force them to clean tier property up and put it against their taxes because the house is probably mortgaged to the hilt to start with, so if you add your money onto and try to sell it, you aren’t going to get your money anyway. Well, you know, people come up here, too feeling that they’re going to be able to do whatever they want. We’ve noticed that up here as a difference in an urban area. They come up here for a variety of reasons, including just wanting to be by themselves and do whatever it is they want. SO it’s hauling junk or keeping cars or whatever, they do it. Mildred: Many dogs that bark all night long. Oh yeah. Howard: Well, they want to do what they want and the heck with anything else. You got to take the good with the bad. There’s advantages of being out here because you’ve got some beautiful area around here Mildred: That’s right. And there’s some down sides of that, too. Is there anything else you can think of that you can talk about regarding the history of Harris where your experiences are here in Harris Park? Mildred: All I can say is we love it! I mean, it’s a great town. That’s the beauty of it. Howard: Or even where the - - the building that’s over here now that - - two big buildings are John’s big garage and then there’s - - we’ll, then there’s two other buildings. There’s a place here that has a place for their equipment, which isn’t much I guess and then the Water Board got a building over there. But out there in that wired-in area we used to use that for a dump collection area and we had the idea at one time of watching all these trash trucks come up here go into individual houses and we could open them Saturdays and Sundays would keep this area open with a couple of big dumpsters in there and would charge the people fifty cents a load to go in and help offset. Sure. Howard: Some of the stuff and then the salvage people would come up and dump them once a week. Right. Park County Local History Archives �Park County Oral History Project BETTS, MILDRED Bailey, CO 23 Howard: And hauled off and we’d be ready for the next week, so everybody can have all these trucks running around and there’s a trash can sitting out and we tried putting trash cans around the lakes for the fisherman and stuff and pretty soon they start putting home stuff in it and all this. Mildred: Throwing them in the lake. Howard: So we had to discontinue that. Oh! Howard: And over by this area here, really thought of a tourist, we had a helicopter landing and we kept the pad; we kept it open over there in the winter time and so on and we kept the pad clean and … For like Flight for Life or… Howard: (inaudible) pouring oil on it, so on, so it was used quite a few times. It’s still there now? Howard: It’s still there, but they don’t seem to want to use it. Mildred: They don’t’ use it too much. Howard: But there is some wires up there but we got the big balls hanging on the wires up there and they can land and so on, but most of the time they transport them in to the top of Bailey, Crow Hill. Mildred: Like they did him one time. Howard: I suppose it’s easier for them to find, some of the pilots probably aren’t - especially at night time – Yeah, I’d be concerned, but that’s a twenty-minute drive down to Crow Hill from here, isn’t it? Mildred: It is. Howard: Well, if you’ve got a central point then they will get used to it and then they go… No doubt. Okay, well, I can’t think of anything else, unless you can. Mildred: I’ll look up some of that way back history on this and see when they did sell and what not because I think they have some papers over there was given to me. Howard: What is your purpose or whatever. Oh, I can explain that; let me shut this off; we’re done with the recording now. 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Title A name given to the resource A bartender and two men drinking at Rache's Place in Alma, 1935 Subject The topic of the resource Stores, Retail; Bars (Drinking establishments); Bartenders; Cashiers Description An account of the resource Rache's Place on northwest Main Street at Alma in August 1930. Left to right: Rachel "Rache" Palinbaum, George Marcott, Francis Smith (town marshal). Note spittoon & Gately Motor calendar. Building was moved to South Park City Museum. Source: South Park Historical Foundation, 2004 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Photographs; Park County Local History Archive Photographic Collection; Alma - Businesses folder; no. 1666 Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1935-08 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="http://rightsstatements.org/vocab/UND/1.0/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Copyright Undetermined</a> Relation A related resource Park County Local History Archives Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource Image/jpeg Type The nature or genre of the resource Image Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context ph001666 Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant Colorado (state); Park (county); Alma (Inhabited place) Is Part Of A related resource in which the described resource is physically or logically included. Park County Local History Archive Photographic Collection IIIF Item Metadata UUID 57bc7dcf-bbce-40a3-8929-9f59e526357e bar drinking soda fountain https://pclha.cvlcollections.org/files/original/e27f4a2d18a28b4ff3e25457c2ccb95d.jpg 987cec499dd7809fc26080c40af071f6 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Park County Local History Archive Photographic Collection IIIF Collection Metadata UUID d2406b8f-4266-4f5f-9a61-9180a6a8630d Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource A building at Snowstorm Dredge 1998 Subject The topic of the resource Mines and mineral resources Placer mining Mining machinery Buildings Description An account of the resource Exterior of a building used by the company that owned Snowstorm Dredge. Source: Jane Gilsinger Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Color photographs Park County Local History Archive Photographic Collection Snowstorm Dredge folder item no. 2910 Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1998 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource <a href="http://rightsstatements.org/vocab/InC-RUU/1.0/">In Copyright - Rights-Holder(s) Unlocatable or Unidentifiable</a> Relation A related resource Park County Local History Archives Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource Image/jpeg Type The nature or genre of the resource Image Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context ph002910 Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant Colorado (state) Park (county) Is Part Of A related resource in which the described resource is physically or logically included. Park County Local History Archive Photographic Collection IIIF Item Metadata UUID ad990801-791e-4dc4-aa81-0542f509cc00 building exterior mining placer mines